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Article 15606 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part I, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:26:52 GMT 1992Sep4.132652.2192@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 144

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * GARY NULL: There is criticism on the part of the media to opening up the John F. Kennedy assassination to a new investigation. However, there are individuals who are willing to challenge this stance. They feel that there are more than enough reasons to open up the Warren Commission findings and to take another look; even to convene another impartial group of researchers and investigators who have subpoena power; even a special prosecutor, if necessary, to delve into this issue without the FBI and the CIA being the ones who are primarily responsible for giving the information, as some doubt has been raised concerning their objectivity in the original Warren Commission hearings and research-gathering.

Our first guest on today's program is Harold Weisberg, the House Subcommitee on Assassinations investigator, the author of a book on Lee Harvey Oswald and the post-mortem, the whitewash and the frame-up. He has also written a book on the assassination of Martin Luther King. Welcome to our program, Mr. Weisberg. I would like you to give us your professional assessment of the House Select Committee on Assassinations -- since you were a primary investigator there -- on their findings, on the Warren Commission, and on ....

HAROLD WEISBERG: I had no connection with the House Committee. I was the source for most of the stories that appeared that were critical of them. It was a synthetic duplication of the Warren Commission. It began with the intent (now, I'm not talking about each individual member. I'm talking about the staff who did it; especially Blakey, the general counsel and chief-of-staff) .... It began with the intent of putting down all the critics. Each hearing -- each public hearing -- began with what he called "the narration", and he picked out the critics whose work he was going to address, and then the hearing was dedicated to debunking them and proving them wrong. And I'm happy to say that there's only one critic he managed to avoid; and that's me. He wasn't going to pick a fight with me.

All of their [the Committee's] work was faulted in varying degrees of ways, but they NEVER investigated the crime itself. In that, they did exactly what the FBI did, and exactly what the Warren Commission did. They did NOT -- any one of them -- investigate the crime itself.

Now, I think you should know that, unlike the other books, there are no theories in my book. I'm a former investigative reporter, a Senate investigator, an intelligence analyst; and that's not my bag. And I don't think that that's what the people of the country need for the democratic system to work. They're factual. Now, I'm going to quote, accurately from memory, a record I got through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit. Perhaps it would help your audience to understand more about where I'm coming from to say that I filed about a dozen Freedom of Information Act lawsuits against the Government. Most of them are on the Kennedy assassination. And most of the records I got were from the FBI. In all, I have about a third of a million pages of records. These are the same ones that Oliver Stone has been promoting for himself in his movie by saying that they're suppressed.

Now, from the Department of Justice and from the FBI I got a record of a memorandum. Nicholas Katzenabach -- who was then the Deputy Attorney-General of the United States and acting Attorney-General as of the time in question, because Bobby Kennedy was not there because of the crime and the tragedy. He [Katzenbach] wrote Lyndon Johnson, through his [Johnson's] channel, Bill Moyers, recommending to Lyndon Johnson that they had to convince the country that Oswald was alone, that Oswald was the assassin, that he had no confederates who were still at-large, and that the evidence was such that he would be convicted in trial. The typed copy is dated early Monday morning the first working day after the assassination, November 25, 1963. I also happen to have gotten Katzenbach's handwritten copy, which he wrote when he had no typist available on Sunday. And from the FBI I got a record which said that Katzenbach had discussed it with [FBI Director] Hoover on Sunday, as soon as Oswald was killed.

So as soon as the Government knew that there would be no trial of Lee Harvey Oswald, they closed the books, the crime was solved, and that was it. So you see, when the crime itself was never investigated, there are no leads for other people to follow. And I address this so that your audience can understand that those people, who develop theories and advance them as solutions, do it without a factual basis. I don't know of any theory that is factually supportable by the known evidence. And now I'm talking about the official investigative reports of the FBI and things like that which do establish some fact.

GARY NULL: Okay, we thank you very much, Mr. Weisberg, for sharing your views and for giving us this insight on this important piece of critical information. I appreciate your being on with us today. Let's go now to another guest who is standing by, who has a different point of view, and who has additional information. I would like to invite Jim Marrs [author of CROSSFIRE] onto our program again. Welcome to our program, Jim.

I'd like to pick up where we left off yesterday. For those of you who were not here yesterday and who didn't hear the program, we did a careful assessment, going step-by-step through the events that led up to the actual shooting, showing that the American Public has never been made aware of the fact that earlier in the day, in Fort Worth, there was also a motorcade for President Kennedy, but that motorcade was substantially different. It was VERY very heavily guarded, on proper protocol, by the Secret Service. And the police were maintained, meaning that sharpshooters were stationed on rooftops, no window was allowed to be opened, there was adequate protection. But all of that was suspended at Dealey Plaza and for the trip through Dallas. WHY? WHO was responsible? Who caused the rescinding of these orders? Those are questions that have to be thoroughly analyzed.

I would like just a brief summary of some of the points from yesterday -- an overview of some of the discrepancies between what we have been led to believe and what actually occurred. Then I would like to go into the area that our previous guest, Mr. Harold Weisberg has suggested -- that there is NO evidence to support any of the assassination theories. I would like you to give us YOUR information, your belief, and whatever documentation you have that could, in any way, directly or indirectly, tie in any of a number of proposed agendas such as the renegade CIA agents, the knowledge that FBI director J. Edgar Hoover could have known or may have known in advance that the assassination was imminent, certain right-wing extremists, certain members of the military, and also members of Organized Crime, and some anti-Castro Cubans.

Now, all of these have been alleged -- depending upon the theorist -- to have participated. But you have some unique insights and and I would like you to share with us some of those insights at this time. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Transcribed by John DiNardo

Article 15651 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part II, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:44:11 GMT 1992Sep8.174411.10959@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the murder of President Kennedy Lines: 145

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JIM MARRS [author of CROSSFIRE]: Well, first just let me say that the one thing I think that everyone including Mr. Weisberg, including Gerald Ford, including David Bigeley(?), including everybody who is connected with this thing at this point .... I think the one thing that we can all agree on is that there is substantial controversy over the death of President Kennedy and over the subsequent investigation and the medical evidence. Now, in this particular case, that confusion, that controversy, that obfuscation, if you will, is the basis of what can legitimately be called "the cover-up". There should not have been a cover-up. There should not have been this confusion. This was a case .... this was the President of the United States, for God's sake. There was an autopsy at Bethesda Naval Hospital. There was treatment at a reputable hospital: Parkland, in Dallas. And there should not be this confusion. There should be some very clear-cut answers based on scientific, medical, forensic evidence to say: "Here's what happened. He was shot three times from the rear." Or: "He was shot once from the front and once from the rear." It should be very clear, but it's NOT. It is TOTALLY muddled. It is TOTALLY in confusion. And THAT is the nature of this cover-up. Not that there has never been any information, but that there has been so much information, and so much CONTRADICTORY information that it has thrown the whole thing into confusion and controvery, so that we can't seem to get to the bottom of this. I think that is very self-evident.

Now, who has the power to do that? And who CAN do that? And who could have saved us from all of this? The Federal Government! The Government who supposedly had him autopsied. The Government who supposedly is in charge of the investigation. It should have been clear-cut, but it's not. And, to me, that shows, in an overview, that the Government has been responsible for all this confusion, rather than clearing it up and actually presenting us with factual information as to what happened. So this is what is causing all of the problems, because the Government is STILL saying: "Well, there's nothing there. It's all cut and dried." And yet, it's not.

You can look at the evidence for yourself. For instance, in the medical evidence, I could go down the whole list of doctors in Dallas who said that he had a large gaping hole in the right rear portion of his head. Even Clint Hill, the Secret Service agent who jumped up on the back of the car in a vain effort to save his life; in his Warren Commission testimony he says, quite bluntly, quite to the point: "The right rear portion of his head was missing." End-quote. Okay? How much clearer do you want to be? And every doctor in Dallas backed him up. Doctor Jones says that there was a large defect in the back side of his head. Dr. Perry said: "I noted a large evulsive wound in the right parieto-occipital area." I could go on and on and on. They all said the same thing: that there was a gaping hole in the right rear portion of his head. But today, we have an autopsy photograph that has come out of the Government that purports to show the back of President Kennedy's head, and there's no large gaping hole there. All there is is a small hole that the House Committee told us was an entrance wound. And yet, the autopsy doctor, Dr. Humes, in his testimony to the House Committee said: "Well, I don't know what that was, but that wasn't any wound of entrance. And I know that for sure." Okay? So what's going on here? I mean, the confusion points the finger at what REALLY is going on, and at who is generating all this. And it's the Federal Government!

GARY NULL: Alright, so let's take a look here. You're suggesting that the Government, or various members of different areas of the Government have participated in a systematic cover-up.

JIM MARRS: Absolutely! For instance, the Warren Commission tells us -- and the people who defend the Warren Commission to this very day tell us -- that one of the shots (it started off that it was the first shot. Now they're backing up by saying: Well, maybe it was the second one or the third one) .... but one of the shots, they say, went through Kennedy's neck and did not hit anything. It went on to strike Governor Connally, causing all of his wounds -- which has become known as "the single bullet theory"; this idea that one bullet went through both men. This is the foundation of the "single assassin theory". Okay? If you don't have one bullet going through two men, then you've got more bullets, which means more shooters, which means a conspiracy involving more than one gunman. So to keep from having to admit that, they came up with the "single bullet theory" which says that one bullet went through Kennedy's neck and struck Connally.

Now, the problem is that the bullet did not go through his neck. The Warren Commission plainly states that it hit him in the middle of the back -- the third thoracic vertebrae, between the shoulder blades. Doctor Humes places it there in the Siebert-O'Neill FBI Report of the autopsy. His jacket and his shirt, in the National Archives, show a bullet hole in the middle of the back. Well, if there's a bullet hole in the middle of the back, and you try to track that to the throat wound -- which is what they do -- now you've got an upward trajectory, which destroys the idea that this bullet somehow cursed downward and struck Governor Connally. Plus, you've got Governor Connally's wrist X-ray, which shows that there are still more pieces of bullet in his wrist today than are missing off of the bullet that the Government still claims caused the wound. So it's very obvious that they're simply lying about what went on.

We now have the January 27th minutes of the Warren Commission, in which their Chief Counsel admits that since we have a picture of where the bullet entered the back, that it's below the place where it came out the front. So how could it go and turn around, etc.? They knew it, and so they chose to lie to us and simply claim that the bullet went through his neck. And the supporters of the Warren Commission are still telling us the same thing, although this is totally opposite to what the medical evidence shows us.

So it's a huge thing. You have to look at the totality of this case. Any one particular issue can be picked apart or explained away or rationalized as coincidence or happenstance, but if you look at the total picture, you can begin to get an understanding of what really went on.

GARY NULL: Alright, Jim Marrs, I want you to hold on, because we're going to present some new information. By the way, Jim Marrs is an award-winning reporter for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, and he was a reporter at the time of the assassination for the Denton Record-Chronicle. He teaches at the University of Texas at Arlington. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please assist in disseminating it by posting it to other networks, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the mass media's thirty year cover-up of the coup d'etat against the People of the United States, the necessity of citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.

John DiNardo

Article 15678 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part III, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:54:18 GMT 1992Sep9.155418.16387@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 157

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) GARY NULL: Now, just today -- just less than an hour ago -- the American Medical Association gave it's official position on the Kennedy assassination, and a Doctor George Lundberg, the editor of the Journal of the American Medical Association and Editor-in-Chief of Scientific Publications of JAMA, read their position paper, and I'll just quote something from it. Later in the show we're going to come back to this, because we have a part of the press conference recorded by WBAI. It says:

"The recent Crenshaw book" (and we had Dr. Crenshaw on the show) "is a sad fabrication based upon unsubstantiated allegations. The best explanation for the motivations of myriad conspiracy theorists are paranoia, the desire for personal recognition, public visibility and profit.

Anyhow, it says that this is all nonsense. There was no conspiracy; that the Warren Commission was right. And THAT was the press conference. We'll get more on the press conference, but I just want you to know that finally JAMA (and I don't know why JAMA would be sticking it's nose into something that it knows nothing about, to begin with) came out and felt the need to hold a press conference to say that the Warren Commission was right. Everyone (they say) in the field writing books, doing broadcasts, or offering information to the public, must be doing it for profit, recognition or some other [personal] motive.

JIM MARRS: I've got news for them. Talk to anybody who has known me and they'll tell you that I've been making the same criticisms since the early '70s, and I certainly never made any money. In fact, people ....

GARY NULL: Jim, let me ask you something. Have you ever been found guilty, in an extended trial, of restraint of trade, monopolistic practices, and, if so, was that conviction upheld all the way clear up to all the different appeals courts, and now the conviction is final?

JIM MARRS: Not me.

GARY NULL: Well that has happened to the American Medical Association. So, when the AMA has the audacity to come onto a press conference -- with the muddled background that they have for having been caught engaging in the restraint of trade and in monopolistic practices -- claiming that others have ulterior motives, I think it's absolutely absurd.

JIM MARRS: Anybody who knows anything knows that the AMA is a FIRM supporter of the status quo, and that it has been highly political for years. And I would ascribe political motives to almost anything that they do. The point that I want to make here is -- if my understanding is correct -- if they are simply quoting from the two autopsy doctors who worked on President Kennedy, well then, this is just an affirmation [of that autopsy]. Of course, those doctors are going to say the same things they said in 1963 and 1964, and it's going to support the Warren Commission's contention. But this is a diversion. This is a red herring. This is not the issue. The issue is that what the autopsy doctors saw was not the same as what the doctors saw [at Parkland Hospital] in Dallas. And there is a very DEEP discrepancy between the wounds as viewed in Dallas .... I just quoted you all these people who said that there was a large hole in the back of his head. This was not seen at the autopsy -- or not reported. So we've got some real discrepancies here, and this particular little news conference and their pronouncements are simply skirting the issue.

GARY NULL: Okay, Jim, I want you to hold on because we're going to introduce some new evidence and a new individual to our conference here. He is Harrison Edward Livingstone, the author of HIGH TREASON II. Welcome to our program, Mr. Livingstone.

HARRISON LIVINGSTONE: Thanks for inviting me.

GARY NULL: I would like to go straight to some of the most important issues, and if you would, please give us the research that you have uncovered on these. First, I would like to have you review, from your perspective, the eyewitness descriptions of Kennedy's real wounds.

HARRISON LIVINGSTONE: Well, as you know, I've been able to interview almost every living medical witness. I did not talk to Doctor Clark, although he gave me certain answers through his secretary, twelve years ago. I have talked to Doctor Humes, but I can't say that anything was productive there, even after as much as an hour of talk. But, other than that, my book presents the most complete history of what these doctors are saying today, and put in perspective of what they said and wrote in 1963. No other book or writer or researcher has achiveved this.

GARY NULL: We're not here to promote your book, as such. We're here for you to please share your information with us. So if you could, please go right to the information. Would you talk about the evidence of forgery and retouching of the autopsy photographs and X-rays?

HARRISON LIVINGSTONE: [initial words were drowned out by Gary Null's voice] .... doctors and the two autopsies. And the point being that they are trying to head off at the pass the research that I have just published, and for no other reason; also [they're targeting] Doctor Crenshaw's book and his statements. They made a number of totally false statements at this press conference. For instance, that Crenshaw (they quoted other doctors, and this is an example of how they cooked their article by the American Medical Association) .... that Crenshaw was not present at the autopsy -- when if you go and read in Volume Six of the Warren Commission books, he is mentioned by almost every doctor as having been there. And he was certainly in a position to observe the wounds and to see what was going on. And it doesn't take anybody more than an idiot to know that a bullet is either an entry hole through the skin of the neck, or it's an exit, because, if it's coming out, it's going to make quite a tear. And anybody, basically, would see the difference. I was pretty stunned, as you probably know, because I was at this press conference today. You ask: Why is JAMA [the Journal of the American Medical Association] doing this at this time, and I'm just telling you there is only one reason why they're doing it. It's because the whole cover-up perpetrated by the Government in this case is directly threatened by the research that I have done and by my making it possible for Crenshaw and the other doctors to come forward.

GARY NULL: Alright. Would you give us some link between Richard Nixon's men and John Kennedy's killers that ties the assassination directly to Watergate? And could you please give us the facts? (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please assist in disseminating it by posting it to other networks, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty year cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States, the necessity of citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.

John DiNardo Article 2723 of alt.conspiracy.jfk: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part IV, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:12:09 GMT 1992Sep11.121209.3771@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 152

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) HARRISON LIVINGSTONE: Before I get to that, you had asked me a question on this medical evidence. Do you recall?

GARY NULL: Yes. I asked you for the evidence of forgery and retouching in the autopsy photographs and X-rays.

HARRISON LIVINGSTONE: This is my special area of research. I discovered that the X-rays were fake in that they show the entire face missing on the right side. And again, this is what JAMA tried to head off at the press conference today. They tried to ridicule criticism of the medical evidence without facing these facts. And I asked them at the press conference: "Didn't you notice that the face is missing -- that the President's face is missing in the X-rays, but it's NOT missing in the photographs?" And, of course, at that point, the press conference became tumultuous, and the whole thing began to be overturned. The photographs, of course, show extensive retouching and evidence of forgery. And this was directly how the Chief Justice of the United States was tricked -- with this faked evidence. The doctors, most recently (quite a few that JAMA did not interview, and they don't dare interview, and if they did, like other researchers, they're not going to report it) .... because those doctors insist, to this day, that that throat wound WAS an entry hole. And the many people who were at the autopsy .... and Doctor Fink, the forensic pathologist who was at the autopsy, who was not interviewed by JAMA, and whom they claimed declined, and I've talked to him. But he testified that the hole in the back was an entry hole that did not penetrate into the chest. So what JAMA did -- and as Jim Marrs just said: They're a political action committee that doesn't dare let this evidence link up because .... they've kept it compartmentalized. I asked them: "What about Doctor Humes's stating at the end of his testimony to Arlen Specter that the bullet that hit John Connally could not possibly have been the same bullet that went through John Kennedy because of the fragments that were found in Connally?" They said: "We did not discuss John Connally in this article. It's not relevant." So that's an example of compartmentalizing the evidence by a political action committee which has sought to control the medical community in this country.

GARY NULL: Okay. Let's try to go back to the photographs. And please, if you would, try to keep .... we have limited time and we want the opportunity for you to give us as much information as you can. Let's go specifically to the fraud that you are asserting, and on the retouching of the photographs that no one else in the media has picked up on.

HARRISON LIVINGSTONE: Right. This is the key to the case, right now. The Chief Justice, Earl Warren (and he mentions in his memoirs that he was shown autopsy photographs) [said] that he was tricked by phony photographs and X-rays which apparently show a shot that came from behind. They claim that there is an entry hole in the area of the cowlick, although the autopsists, Doctors Humes and Boswell, told the committee of doctors at the House of Representatives that they denied .... He said: I defy you to see this hole here where you say it is; that this is not a hole. It's something else. And it was four inches -- as the Clark Panel found in 1968 -- from where that entry hole was placed in the autopsy report by Doctor Humes and Doctor Boswell. It was four inches above it. Then, showing the face missing in the X-rays and not showing Earl Warren the photographs that showed the President's face intact made him think that his face was blown away. And that's what we see in the Zapruder film. And I believe that that's animated.

GARY NULL: Okay, let's go to some specific references. I'm looking now at a photograph of John Kennedy. It's called "the stare of death" photograph. And I'd like for you to talk about the reference black triangle that appears on the right upper forehead of Kennedy in this photograph.

HARRISON LIVINGSTONE: Yes, if you have a clear print of that in the negative, in the negative there is no light whatsoever that comes through that triangle. It's much clearer in a clear print. In my book, we were able to do the best possible reproductions, but, of course, they're screened and it's not that clear. But in a comparable right profile photograph, which we publish there, you can see what has been covered up. And they're from two DIFFERENT sets of photographs. One, with the reference black triangle is known as "the Fox set of photographs" which came into the possession of Mark Crouch, who was a friend of the Secret Service man, James K. Fox, who took the rolls of film from Bethesda Naval Hospital over to be developed in the Navy labs. The other set of photographs, which were in the possession of Robert Groden, show that there is a major laceration extending into the forehead of the President. This was NOT seen in Dallas, but two of the autopsy doctors did describe this laceration to me. They brought it up. I did not bring it up. And they told me about the laceration going a half an inch into the forehead above the right eye. That's where that reference black triangle is. What the reasons were for covering it up in some of those photographs are not clear to me. I can't answer that question. All I know is that they conflict with each other -- these two different pictures, as do many of the photographs conflict with each other.

GARY NULL: Also, it's very clear that the whole right side of the head is blackened out, and only the ear is visible. That is CLEARLY retouching.

HARRISON LIVINGSTONE: That's it. And the whole back of the head, extending around behind to the right ear was missing. And a major part of my research was to try to resolve the puzzles of the medical evidence. Exactly what did the wounds look like? I was able to determine -- by having the doctors and the witnesses at the autopsy and in Dallas draw on mannequin heads -- exactly where the bone defect was and how much scalp was missing. And they are identical. The wound was not altered, but there was a large hole that went all the way around to the side of the head. The autopsy report is accurate in that respect, but the problem was that there was sort of a flap of scalp that was badly macerated and it did have an egg-shaped-sized hole through it. But it could not possibly cover up all of the missing bone that was underneath there. And this caused a lot of confusion among engineers and accountants and other people with that mindset who do this research, because they can't semantically separate out the issues, for instance, between alteration and tampering, or between laceration and incision. A lot of the confusion in the case (in the medical evidence) is semantic, so I was able to determine that the body was not altered. It may have been tampered with, but even that doesn't appear to have been necessary when all they really had to do was to fake the photographs and flash them at Earl Warren who put them aside immediately because of their gore. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty-year cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States, the necessity of citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.

John DiNardo

Article 15763 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part V, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:56:49 GMT 1992Sep14.165649.23560@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 160

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) GARY NULL: Alright, now there are two other very VERY important issues here. And they are that the photographs of John Kennedy's body, where he is on his face, lying on his stomach here, it shows ....

HARRISON LIVINGSTONE: Lying on his back. There's no picture of him lying on his stomach.

GARY NULL: Oh, okay. Yeah, it's been turned around there. I have a picture of his back, and the first bullet hole ....

HARRISON LIVINGSTONE: He's lifted up from the table -- yes.

GARY NULL: Okay. The first bullet hole is about four inches, it looks like, below the ....

HARRISON LIVINGSTONE: Well the larger hole is not the hole. It's about two inches below that. You'll see a small red thing, closer to the roller, and that, the men all state, was a hole. And they also indicate that that deep depression down toward the bottom of the roller is a bullet hole.

GARY NULL: Yeah, well there are two bullet holes in his back. How can a man have two bullet holes in his back, and then ....

HARRISON LIVINGSTONE: I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that there were gunmen all around that car. In Senator Dodd's report -- that was appended to the House Committee report when he was in the House of Representatives -- stated that there were at least three gunmen firing, and two of them had to have been from behind, because of the closeness of the shots. There ARE six shots on that Dallas [motorcycle] police tape recording.

GARY NULL: Yeah, but you see, the Warren Commission does not state that.

HARRISON LIVINGSTONE: No! They say that three shots were fired and two struck the President.

GARY NULL: Also, you have the entire back of the head shown very clearly, and you do not see the ....

HARRISON LIVINGSTONE: No. Part of that is not clear at all. You see the area that's out of focus there. The background is in focus and the foreground -- where the cowlick [is] closest to the lens of the camera -- is in focus. But the area all along the hairline from behind the ear down to the center of the neck (in the hair) is out of focus. And that's where they smudged all that over when they made their composite photograph.

GARY NULL: Alright, what I'd like to do is this. Let's just summarize here for a moment. What we have are some CLEARLY retouched photographs. We have more bullet holes in the President's body than the Warren Commission, or any of the so-called "official" investigations, have recognized. How in the world does a man end up with this many proveable bullet holes, and yet, still have one man doing all the shooting? Some of these bullet holes are clearly exit wounds. Some are entrance wounds. And yet, the Warren Commission has, for whatever reason, only presented that these were rear entrance wounds. The autopsy photographs HAVE been altered. The X-rays HAVE been altered. It is not possible to end up with an X-ray .... Let's say if you took a normal anterior /posterior skull X-ray, and then you took the Kennedy anterior/ posterior skull X-ray -- the Kennedy lateral skull X-ray -- there's an amount of facial bone that's missing. If this were presented in any regular forensic trial today, it would be LAUGHABLE. The evidence would be thrown out as inadmissible and faulty.

We're going to take a brief break. I'd like both Jim Marrs [author of CROSSFIRE] and also, our guest on the phone right now -- who just returned from the press conference -- Harrison Edward Livingstone, who needless to say, was part of the reason that the AMA called this hasty press conference (and the press conference itself you'll hear a little later on. We tape recorded some of it) .... we're going to get to some information that I think the people in this audience have always wondered about. Are you aware that not ONCE were we ever given the real reason as to why the Watergate Break-In occurred? What was in the safe they were looking for? Why did CIA people go into that safe? Why did Nixon authorize it? That brought down the whole Nixon Administration -- about sixty-seven of his top cronies. Why? We were never asked that! The media never probed it further than what was given to them.

Well, you're going to hear something when we come back, about the link between Richard Nixon's men and John Kennedy's killers that ties the assassination directly to Watergate. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

[JD: There was an incident which remains vivid in my memory, and it has never been explored by anyone, though it might provide a fuller picture of the possible link between the Watergate Break-In and the assassination of President Kennedy.

Those of you who are old enough will recall the numerous Presidential press conferences of Richard Nixon during which he was interrogatively flayed and driven to the brink of impeachment by a concerted onslaught from the press corps, members of which have since been alleged to be journalistic prostitutes for the CIA (e.g. Walter Cronkite and, I think, Dan Rather, notorious among many). In one of those press conferences (I think it may have been the "I'm not a crook!" press conference) a reporter asked Nixon [I'm paraphrasing]: You said something about the John Kennedy assassination as an example or an analogy .... And then, Nixon cut him off and exclaimed, with distress: "No, no, no! I didn't mean to imply that I know any more about that assassination than anyone else does." Nixon's tenseness at this moment was striking. Since then, I have been suspicious that Nixon might have knowledge, if not some involvement in the assassination.

What ought to be examined is a tape of that press conference so that perhaps a scientific voice analysis can be done to indicate, albeit not to prove, that Nixon was lying about his lack of knowledge of any unreported evidence surrounding the assassination of John Kennedy. If enough people wish to collaborate on such a project, we may be able to finance the purchase of the tape and the voice analysis with small cost to everyone involved. Please send me e-mail if you are interested.

John DiNardo jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com or jad@att!ckuxb

If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty-year cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States, the necessity of citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.

John DiNardo Article 15807 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part VI, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 15:53:10 GMT 1992Sep16.155310.24072@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 123

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * GARY NULL: We're also going to talk about proof of fraud and disinformation campaigns WITHIN the assassination research community, and how a United States Senator and two former Presidents personally covered up facts in the case. And we're also going to talk about proof that bullets WERE removed from the President's body at Bethesda Naval Hospital before the autopsy began. That's just some of what we're going to talk about today. New information; very powerful information. And, contrary to what my first guest suggested (and I respect that each guest can have their own point of view, and everyone has the right to have a point of view, even if it differs with other people on the show) he suggested that there was no hard data. This is as good data as can be produced.

Now I'm going to ask our guest, Jim Marrs, you're going to have about ten minutes, and Harrison Edward Livingstone, you're going to have about ten minutes. You can take a break, because you're talking on the commercial-free Pacifica Radio station in New York, WBAI, 99.5 FM, a 50000 watt station. I've been here for fifteen years. We work for free -- those of us on the air, and we ask, three times a year, for pledges from the station's listners to help support our efforts.

[JD: My apologies for missing the subsequent discourse. I'm trying to obtain a tape of it. If and when I do, I'll promptly transcribe it for you. However, I have taped numerous hours of information covering the succeeding episodes in the series. So the following transcript resumes the discussion with the next day's broadcast in the series.]

GARY NULL: Alright, David, if you could, please, would you go through this evidence in some detail? You're making a lot of statements and a a lot of allegations. We'd like you now to substantiate the differences between the official version.

DAVID LIFTON: Okay. With regard to the casket, for example, the witness who opened the casket .... the persons who saw the casket come in the back door of Bethesda Naval Hospital, and who actually unloaded it are Dennis David, the chief-of-the-day at Bethesda Naval Hospital and a man named Don Rabbatisch [sp] who was actually one of the casket toters, so to speak -- who took it out of the black hearse in which it arrived.

The account of Dennis David is that he is at the back of the hospital. He is in charge of part of the security function. He is told that the President's body is going to arrive there. They go down. The black hearse pulls in. He assembles some of his men. Don Rabbatisch is one of them. They bring the casket inside. A black hearse pulls up. There's a group of plainclothesmen and two men in O.R. smocks. They get out of the ambulance. The shipping casket (and that's what it was: a shipping casket) is removed from the black hearse. It is brought onto the loading dock and it is brought to the door of the morgue. In the door of the morgue is Paul O'Connor. He's the medical technician listed in the FBI reports, and who is also listed in the official Navy records, and in the House Select Committee records. He opens the casket which is a shipping casket, according to O'Connor. Inside the shipping casket is a body bag. He unzips the body bag, puts the President's body, along with others in the morgue, on the table. He said that when the wrapping was removed from the head area, there was a gasp in the room, and he said: "and I looked down and said, 'My God, there's no brain!'" And you could see this. It was apparent. The FBI, at that time, writes notes. They write a report that weekend. In their report, which was not published with the Warren Commission documents, but is at the National Archives, they write that when the body was removed from the casket in which it was transported, it was (quote) "apparent that there had been surgery to the head area; namely in the top of the skull." And that's the official record. That's the evidence.

Now, the Warren Commission did not know about most of this evidence that I am talking about here. They did not perform this kind of analysis. They did not establish what, in law, is called a "chain of possession" on the body. So the Navy commander who performed the autopsy simply comes before the Commission, raises his right hand and testifies as to the condition of the body. And they accept that autopsy report which states that President Kennedy was shot twice from behind, based on wounds you see on the body which were NOT on the body in Dallas, if you compare Dallas versus Bethesda -- Dallas being where the President was shot, Bethesda being where the autopsy was performed six hours later. Based on the Bethesda wound pattern, President Kennedy IS, or appears to be, in fact, shot twice from behind. Based on the Dallas wound pattern, he was NOT.

Now ordinarily, you would trust the autopsy over the accounts of the doctors at Dallas, because the autopsy is better evidence. It's, in fact, the "best evidence". It's based on the body of the President. But the irony is that, in this case, there is a subterfuge, and, in fact, the body was altered. That's what my book was all about: persuading the reader that there is evidence that the body was altered, and that this is the reason why the evidence looks the way it does. I might just add that if you start with this evidence in 1992, the same evidence that they had in 1963, unless this autopsy is overturned, you're going to come to the same conclusion: that Oswald shot the President. This autopsy is the legal foundation for that whole house of cards. It cannot collapse unless the autopsy is overturned in a definitive fashion. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

John DiNardo Article 15839 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part VII, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy

Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 16:16:26 GMT 1992Sep18.161626.13759@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 132

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) GARY NULL: What would have been the sequence of events to have allowed the brain to have been removed, since there is no evidence that it was removed in Dallas during the procedures that were performed on the body at that time?

DAVID LIFTON: If I understand you correctly, you're asking me when was the body stolen. Is that what you're saying?

GARY NULL: Yes. When was it stolen, and why would they have removed the brain, and where did the brain next appear?

DAVID LIFTON: The only time that the body could have been taken out of the casket (and this is covered in the conclusion of my book), and the only time (I don't want to say that the casket is unguarded because there are always Secret Service agents around, and you cannot have this go forward without the connivance of some Secret Service agents), but the only time that the Kennedys aren't all over that casket is when they come back to Air Force One after the shooting. That is, after the President is pronounced dead at Parkland Hospital, a coffin is obtained -- a large viewing casket which everybody sees on national TV. They go out to Love Field with the President's body in the casket. They go aboard the aircraft and they learn that there is going to be a delay. "Why," they ask. "Why can't they take-off immediately for Washington?" "Well," they're told, "Lyndon Johnson is aboard this aircraft. He didn't go back to Washington on the other plane. He's on this plane." And he appears and says: "I spoke to Bobby Kennedy, and Bobby Kennedy said, 'Delay the flight. I must be sworn in first in the state of Texas.'" This is all denied that night by Bobby Kennedy who tells his sister-in-law Jacqueline Kennedy that he said no such thing to Lyndon Johnson; that he (Johnson) called Bobby Kennedy, who was Attorney-General in Washington, and said: I'm being told that I should be sworn in. Do you have any objections; that it wasn't the other way around.

Anyway, the result of this is that the flight is delayed by about a half-hour, and basically, the Kennedys (Mrs. Kennedy and the Kennedy aides) are told or requested to come to the front of the plane to witness the swearing in. It is in connection with this activity of "delay the flight and let's go to the front of the plane for the swearing in" .... that's the only time that the Kennedy party is not all over that casket. That's the time, I believe, (and it's a process of elimination, I will concede. I don't have a direct witness; otherwise I'd have solved the Kennedy assassination) .... but it's during that period that the body must have been taken out of the casket and put into some other casket and brought somewhere. I personally believe, at the time I wrote BEST EVIDENCE, that the body was flown to Washington, D.C., and that the alterations occurred on the East Coast after the plane landed at Andrews Air Force Base at six o'clock. And I cited, as evidence, helicopter activity on the starboard side; that is, the side facing away from public view -- and from radio transmissions indicating that they were going to go with the body to Walter Reed Army Hospital where (quote) "an autopsy was to be conducted under guard." And all that's on the radio. And I spelled it out in my book.

Now, it's an unsolved mystery as to where this body was taken. But wherever it happened, that's where the brain would be removed and the wounds altered. It would be done very quickly. It was done VERY sloppily, I might add. And that's why, when the body arrived without a brain, it was immediately noted that there had been surgery to the head area. That's what the FBI wrote down. We're not dealing with some kind of perfect fraud here. We're dealing with a very imperfect crime with footprints all over the place; footprints which are ignored by the Warren Commission because they saw the crime -- or you might say they saw these events through very Establishment eyes. They never questioned any of this stuff that's brought up in my book. GARY NULL: When did the brain next appear?

DAVID LIFTON: A brain is infused, in the autopsy room, by another technician: James Jenkins. Now let me explain this. It's kind of interesting. There were three technicians in the room: a guy named Ranicki, a fellow named Paul O'Connor and a fellow named Jenkins. Paul O'Connor gives me the account (and it's a thing that he will never forget. It just came out of his mouth when I interviewed him in 1979), that the cranium is empty. There's no brain, etc. And on the chart where the body organ weights are listed (a chart which is perfectly authentic. It has little pink spots on it. That's Kennedy's blood. It's in the National Archives today) there is no weight given for the brain, but there is a weight for many of the other body organs.

That night, at some point -- and I don't know when -- a brain is brought into the room. That brain is given to James Jenkins, another technician. James infuses that brain with formaldehyde. And that brain becomes the evidence brain. It is weighed ten days later, or something. It's weight is recorded in a supplementary brain report. When I confronted O'Connor, on camera, with the fact that there is this brain, he said: "Well I don't know where they got it from. It certainly couldn't have been the President's!" In other words, it did not arrive in the body. Now, that's the way an autopsy is supposed to happen. The body is supposed to have the body parts inside it. You know, we're not dealing with United Parcel Service where you send something and say: "See attached." The brain is supposed to come in the cranium. Now, a brain is definitely brought into the room. I do not know how it got into the room. I can just tell you that James Jenkins infused a brain that night, whereas Paul O'Connor said that the cranium was empty. And by the way, O'Connor's account is corroborated by the X-ray technician who said that the hole was so large and the thing was so empty that he could have put his hands inside the hole. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

John DiNardo Article 2820 of alt.conspiracy.jfk: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part VIII, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1992 12:50:12 GMT 1992Sep22.125012.13133@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 140

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) GARY NULL: Alright. We're going to be speaking with Paul O'Connor in just a few moments. We have him on the show, as well, because we wanted indidividuals who could corroborate your information.

But right now, we're going to ask you to remain on hold. We're in the midst of a WBAI fund-raising [period] ....

.... My show is on the air five days a week bringing programs to you that will give you insights. Like right now we're doing a whole series on Government agendas and hidden agendas, and the conspiracies. We're targetting, right now, the [John] Kennedy Assassination, just because that assassination is something that everyone would agree had a major national impact. The trouble is, what we were told is the OFFICIAL position doesn't blend with what other researchers and first-hand observers are suggesting were the actual cases. And then, we have to ask: Why would someone cover-up this information? Why? Why would the media not report it? Why would the Government not investigate it? Why would the Warren Commission not explore it? So we're looking at that.

Right now, on our program (and I want to thank our guests for being patient and for standing by) is David Lifton, the author of BEST EVIDENCE. He is suggesting that there were two caskets, one body; and that the body arrived without a brain; and that the brain that we were told was President Kennedy's brain may have, indeed, been someone else's; that there was a gaping hole large enough to put a fist through when it arrived in Washington; and that therefore, there had been alterations.

Now, let us see what other corroboration we could have for this. We have, on the conference phone right now, Dr. Charles Crenshaw. Dr. Crenshaw, who graduated from the Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas, Texas, who specializes in general surgery, is presently the chairman and director of the Department of Surgery at Saint Peters-Smith Hospital, in the Fort Worth area. He is a professor of clinical surgery at the University of Texas, Southwestern Health Center's Science Center in Dallas. Welcome to our program, Dr. Crenshaw.

DR. CRENSHAW: Thank you.

GARY NULL: By the way, Dr. Crenshaw is also the author of a very important work on the Kennedy Assassination called, JFK: THE CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE, which right now, I believe, is number one on the New York Times bestseller list. Isn't it?

DR. CRENSHAW: Yes, it is.

GARY NULL: And, by the way, THREE other books on the top-ten bestseller list are also about this assassination, so CLEARLY there is interest. Would you be good enough to explain to us the inconsistencies between your EYEWITNESS account and the official report upheld by the Warren Commission?

DR. CRENSHAW: That day, on November the 22nd, 1963, all of the surgeons at Parkland believed that our President, John Fitzgerald Kennedy was shot at least once from the front. We saw two wounds there. Both of them were from the front. The head wound was tangential in nature, coming in over the right side, above his ear, and leaving a large exit area, a vulsed[?] area in the right-rear part of the head. There was loss of part of the parietal, temporal and most of the occipital lobe of the right cerebral hemisphere, with exposure of the cerebellum. It was about two-and-a-half to two-and-three-fourths inches in diameter. It was more or less circular. And in the photos from the National Archives -- which are so damaging -- this wound had completely vanished. There was no wound seen in the exhibits that are marked "B" and "E" in the book. This wound, that ALL of the physicians at Parkland described, was completely gone. The second wound was in the anterior part of the neck. It was about three to six millimeters in size and with an arc the size of your little finger. It was clearly demarcated as round and relatively clean-cut. Then the tracheal tube that had been put down was ineffective. And then Dr. Perry performed a tracheostomy through the entrance wound. The incision was sharp with smooth edges, and about an inch to and inch-and-a-half long. It was no longer than the flange on the tracheostomy tube, which was one-and-three-fourths inches. Not only that, after the nurses had removed this tracheostomy tube before we placed him in the coffin, it was brought back again. The edges were still smooth and very sharp. And in the autopsy photographs that I first saw in looking for the head wound, this wound was widely gaping, it was irregular, and it was now about two-point-five to three inches long. So there was CLEARLY a change between these wounds, that I saw at Parkland, and the wounds that we saw on the autopsy pictures that were given from the National Archives.

GARY NULL: Why didn't you or others at the scene later complain or even make an issue or an affidavit showing that this was an alteration?

DR. CRENSHAW: We never saw the photos. The first time I saw these was in early 1991. The Parkland physicians were never given this opportunity. They were only told about the additional wounds (which I doubt whether there was another wound in the back of the head, because I looked there) and were never told or shown any other evidence. We were told only about the autopsy. And we, like most people, felt that they would have had the best forensic minds in our country to examine our President. However, obviously, [from] what has been discussed and what we now know, [that assumption] was wrong. And so, we had no other knowledge other than the description by the Secret Service.

GARY NULL: So if you had the description by the Secret Service, by an extension of this logic, the Secret Service or someone would have had to participate in this cover-up, or this obstruction of information. Would that be a reasonable assumption?

DR. CRENSHAW: I think that's a very reasonable assumption. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

John DiNardo

Article 15923 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part IX, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 13:24:03 GMT 1992Sep24.132403.3774@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 171

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) GARY NULL: Alright. Do you believe that the shots came just from the Book Depository, or from the Grassy Knoll, or from where?

DR. CHARLES CRENSHAW: I cannot say that, but he WAS shot twice from the front. And I assume, also, that he was shot from the back. So there could not have been just one shooter; that is, Oswald. We spent all of the next week from the 22nd to the 29th [of Nov. '63], trying to figure out (as we had been told the official version: that it was Oswald) how in the world the President could have been shot from the front when Oswald was supposedly the lone shooter. And on December the 5th of that year, it was the same way with the Secret Service. They reenacted the assassination, and it was their ability there, trying to show how he was shot from the front, yet being shot from the School Book Depository. It was a question in everyone's mind.

GARY NULL: We know that there was one bullet that missed the bodies of both Kennedy and Connally completely, because it ricocheted off of the cement. There is absolute evidence of that. The ricochet struck one of the people standing right on the curb. That meant that there had to have been four bullets shot, at minimum. We know then of three. There is an estimate of six. There were acoustical recordings showing six shots. So even if we assume that there were four, the Warren Commission claims that there were not four.

DR. CRENSHAW: Yes.

GARY NULL: Now, how in the world is it possible for one shooter, from the Book Depository, firing at a moving target, to get off four rounds in what would have to have been under approximately four-point-eight seconds. And even extending it to six seconds, it's not humanly possible. No one has ever been able to duplicate that.

DR. CRENSHAW: No. And I don't think they ever will be. And one other thing. I also took care of, post-operatively, Governor Connally. And Connally and Mrs. Connally (Nellie) have always stated that he was not hit by the same bullet that the President was hit by. He stated that post-operatively, and he has also stated it recently.

GARY NULL: Alright. The Secret Service's refusal, against [Parkland] Hospital policy and Texas law, to allow an autopsy to be performed on JFK, and the swift removal of the President's body from the hospital to Air Force One and back to Washington, D.C. .... Give us your insights on that, please.

DR. CRENSHAW: Well, you know, this is the reason. I was a junior resident, staying there preparing the President's body along while the nurses were preparing him. But I would stay there because this is just a law, and we MUST have a chain of evidence if we were going to prosecute whoever had shot the President.

Then, all of a sudden, there was such a hubbub with the Secret Service. They would not have the autopsy performed there, even though our forensic pathologist, Dr. Earl Rose, had told them, in no uncertain terms, that this had to be. So they asked the administrator to get a justice of the peace. A very young, uneducated justice of the peace came there. And he even talked with the district attorney and the chief of police, and he was told that he should at least have an autopsy or a bullet. However, he chose to go along with the Secret Service and sign the death certificate. Also, in so doing, he checked the inquest that was performed. That was merely his walking at the head of the room, looking in. And also, he checked that an autopsy was performed. And I can assure you, there was no autopsy performed there. Then, at Mrs. Kennedy's request and [that of] the Secret Service, the coffin was brought in, and it is the one that is described. It was the large bronze coffin. And there, we put a rubberized sheet there, and a clear plastic mattress cover over that to keep the blood from getting into the satin. He had, initially, towels around the head, but he had bled through that, and Mr. O'Neill, of the O'Neill Funeral Home, put several rubberized sacks (we had no good plastic then), and then we placed him in the coffin. After, again, I looked at the head wound and placed a sheet over the President, with his clothes at the bottom. And there was no body bag at Parkland. He had just a sheet over there. And the coffin was the bronze one that all the pictures were made [taken of] at Andrews Air Force Base.

GARY NULL: Isn't it rather unusual that a Dr. Boswell would state that he is now removing head bandages? What is the significance of that statement?

DR. CRENSHAW: I do not know. Boswell is also the one who has said, of course, that the tracheostomy was almost three inches long. And it was not that [length] when it left Parkland. But he did have those rubberized sacks over his head. This is the only thing that I could have thought: that maybe they thought it was a body bag. But there was NO body bag.

GARY NULL: Okay. I'm going to go now to Paul O'Connor. Mr. O'Connor, are you on the line?

PAUL O'CONNOR: Yes sir.

GARY NULL: And Dr. Michio Kaku, are you on the line?

MICHIO KAKU: I'm on the line.

GARY NULL: Okay. We're going to come to both of you in just a second, but I want to follow this train of thought: Lyndon Johnson's direct order to YOU, Dr. Crenshaw, to obtain a deathbed confession from Lee Harvey Oswald during an emergency surgery to save his life ....

DR. CRENSHAW: Yes, this was on that Sunday. Obviously, we did not watch the TV. And the head administrator of Parkland called for a free operating team to come to the emergency room. We went there. We were told that Oswald was coming in. At least we were prepared. So immediately, in seven-and-a-half minutes, we got Oswald up to the operating room, and operated on him on the cart. We didn't even place him on an operating table.

After all of the attending staff .... some even at home had seen this [the shooting on TV] .... they immediately came. And Dr. Perry initially started the operation. I was an assistant there. So when all of the attending staff arrived, I scrubbed out, was standing there, and looked at this funny looking gentleman over there on the left side. But, of course, Parkland was so wild then. People were in every corner there. This man looked like the comedian, Oliver Hardy, in a small scrub suit. He did have a badge out of his front pocket, and a very large gun out of the back pocket. And I thought: Well gee, it's just something weird again at Parkland. The nurse tapped me on the shoulder then and asked me if I would take the phone call. I went to the operating room supervisor's office, picked up the phone, and there, a voice like thunder said: "This is the President, Lyndon B. Johnson. How is the accused assassin doing?" And I said: "Well, he's critical. He's lost a lot of blood, but he is holding his own." He said: "Would you take a message to the chief operating surgeon?" And I said, obviously: "Yes sir." He said: "There is a man in the room, and I want him to take a deathbed confession as soon as possible." (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

John DiNardo Article 15989 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part X, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:03:47 GMT 1992Sep28.120347.8405@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 140

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) DR. CHARLES CRENSHAW: So I went back, I tapped Dr. Shires[?] on his shoulder and he looked at me because everything was bedlam there. And I said: "I've just been talking to the President of the United States, and that man over there is to take a deathbed confession." And we both just kind of looked and knew that, had Oswald survived, he wouldn't have been able to talk for two or three days anyway.

Consequently, because of the ravages of hemorrhagic shock, Oswald's heart started failing and ultimately fibrillating. We tried all of the resuscitative measures -- chemical injections and starting with the shocks -- but to no avail. So I then went over and tapped this guy on the shoulder and said: "There'll be no deathbed confession today." So Oliver Hardy melted away again. I don't know who he was. I don't know how he got there. The only interesting part is that I know that the President of the United States knew that he was in the room.

GARY NULL: Give us again the astonishing differences between the Dallas medical team's account of the JFK wounds and the findings of the official Bethesda autopsy team.

DR. CRENSHAW: The most striking, of course, is the head wound which is right at the back of the head at this occipit. It was in the right-rear portion, in the occipital area. It was about the size of a baseball. In the official pictures of the autopsy, this wound had vanished. It was completely gone. And then the neck wound which had the tracheostomy performed there, which was an inch to an inch-and-a-half -- smooth, sharp edges, EVEN when the tracheostomy tube was removed. This is now gaping, irregular and was three inches in length [in the Bethesda autopsy].

GARY NULL: The Parkland Hospital's nervousness about residents treating the President, which resulted in the Warren Commission's failure to obtain crucial statements from the attending medical staff .... Would you give us some background on this please?

DR. CRENSHAW: Well, basically, there were thirty visits -- twenty-four of them by the Secret Service and six by the FBI -- in which they talked to different physicians and nurses there. And it's interesting that not ONE of these conversations was given to the Warren Commission.

GARY NULL: Not one of thirty?

DR.CRENSHAW: Not one!

GARY NULL: What does that tell you? What does that imply?

DR. CRENSHAW: It would imply that they didn't want to hear any contradictory remarks.

GARY NULL: Alright. What is your feeling about Robert Kennedy's involvement in any possible cover-up?

DR. CRENSHAW: I've always felt that maybe he wanted to become president so that he could reopen this investigation. Three days before HIS assassination, in a small community college, he announced to everyone that only the power of the Presidency could unravel the mystery of his brother's death. And he was, of course, assassinated then. But immediately, Mrs. Lincoln, John Fitzgerald Kennedy's secretary, called Senator Ted Kennedy and told him of artifacts that the Kennedy Family had in their possession. And he told her not to worry; that everything was taken care of. So the implication has been that the attorney-general or Senator Kennedy, at that time, did have important information that he had sequestered there, so that, if it were at all possible, he could reopen this investigation.

GARY NULL: And lastly, Jacqueline Kennedy's immediate reactions and behavior following the shooting?

DR. CRENSHAW: I thought Mrs. Kennedy was very regal. She was standing there initially. We asked her to sit outside the room. And then, of course, after his death we did not officially pronounce him dead because of her request for a priest and the last rites. The priest arrived, and she walked into the room after him. We had pulled the sheet up. It was a little short. She stopped at the foot and kissed his great toe, and then went forward and stood there holding his right hand, listening to the last rites. Immediately after that, she took her wedding ring off and placed it on the President's little finger. It would not go past the knuckle, and so when she came in, after they had had the harangue about the autopsy, and before we placed him in the coffin, one of our orderlies there -- I believe it was Aubrey Wright -- helped her get the ring on his small finger.

I had read many accounts of how their marriage was just that, in name only. But being in trauma surgery now for thirty years, I have seen grievances and unhappiness and definite examples of removing the facade of what one felt. And I still will always believe that there was no greater example of genuine and intense love for the President than that exhibited by Mrs. Kennedy.

GARY NULL: I want to thank you very much, Dr. Crenshaw, for sharing your insights with us in this special report on cover-ups.

DR. CHARLES CRENSHAW: Thank you.

GARY NULL: Now let's shift gears. I want to go over to two other panelists standing by: Dr. Michio Kaku, Professor of Theoretical Physics here at CUNY, the City University of New York. Would you give us your comments about the physics of the exhibit 399, the single magic bullet? (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

John DiNardo

Article 2881 of alt.conspiracy.jfk: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part XI, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:01:26 GMT 1992Sep30.170126.4338@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 137

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) MICHIO KAKU: I think it's very important when we look at the ballistics tests that show, for example, frame 313 of the Zapruder film which clearly shows the President's head going to the rear, which indicates that a bullet came from the front. Now in the Warren Commission Report, the FBI, of course, had access to the Zapruder film and also to the ballistics -- and what they did was they REVERSED two frames of the Zapruder film to make it look like the Now, there was one bullet -- the famous "magic bullet" -- that zig-zagged and essentially reversed direction about seven times, going through two bodies and winding up on a stretcher with only two percent of its mass disturbed. However, if you take a look at the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle and simply perform ballistics analysis on this, shooting bullets through, for example, animal carcasses, you can show very clearly that when it goes through cartilage and goes through tissue, you get much more than two percent deformation of the bullet. So, in two very egregious examples, we have major deficiencies within the Warren Commission Report.

GARY NULL: Alright. Approximately what percentage of that bullet should have been missing?

MICHIO KAKU: Tests show that you could easily get twenty to thirty percent deformation of that bullet. Now I should also mention that NOVA, the science program on PBS, did a reenactment wherein they got a watermelon, and they shot bullets through the watermelon, and the watermelon actually recoiled in the direction of the bullet, which violates common sense. The conclusion would be, therefore, that it is possible to violate common sense and have the head lurch in the wrong direction. However, the tests done on this watermelon were of a disembodied head, in the sense that there was no neck and there was no body. You could even blow on a watermelon with your breath and have the watermelon move. In other words, this is an extremely minor effect. It only takes place when you have a watermelon suspended without being attached to another body. However, tests done on animals by, for example, deer hunters and bear hunters have not shown this recoil effect where the head lurches in the direction of the bullet. So I think that NOVA was grasping for straws, trying to get a relatively minor effect to explain a major discrepancy within the ballistics [data] of the Warren Commission Report. And the very fact that the FBI was forced to deliberately tamper with the Zapruder film indicates that the FBI itself was aware of the fact that the body was going in the wrong direction.

GARY NULL: That would therefore give us the impression that the FBI participated in the cover-up of the assassination of President Kennedy.

MICHIO KAKU: That's right. In 1975, the Freedom of Information Act revealed some of the minutes of the Warren Commission Report, which stated that they were aware of the fact that Oswald was, in fact, Agent S179 of the FBI, and that he was an informant of the FBI who got something like two or three hundred dollars a month for his work, and that this information would be EXTREMELY important. But, basically, they failed to follow it up because they couldn't put FBI agents under oath and have them lie under oath. And so, this report was essentially unverifiable. But three different sources, including the Attorney-General of the State of Texas, stated to the Warren Commission that their understanding was that Oswald was, indeed, Agent S179 of the FBI. And the conclusion of the Warren Commission Report was that this evidence was so HOT -- it was SO damaging that it would have to be kept classified for fifty years. Fortunately, the Freedom of Information Act revealed this document in 1975.

Also, by the way, in 1978 the House Select Committee [on Assassinations] interviewed the CIA paymaster -- a Mr. Wilcott, James Wilcott -- and he testified under oath that he was, in fact, the paymaster of the CIA in charge of covert operations against the Soviet Union, and that one of his contract employees was, in fact, Lee Harvey Oswald. So, in other words, Oswald was a bit player and he apparently had a role to play with the FBI and also the CIA. And both agencies, of course, had a vested interest in keeping this information out of the Warren Commission Report.

GARY NULL: I think it's interesting at this point that CIA Director Gates is now suggesting that the file on Oswald, which he is turning over, will show that Oswald had nothing to do with the Kennedy assassination. Of course, anyone who would accept for a moment that the CIA is going to give any information about anything that has not been altered is extraordinarily naive.

MICHIO KAKU: Right. In fact, in 1973 the CIA destroyed most of the Oswald file. We know that it was in two large file cabinets -- in fact, two large file cabinets with four drawers apiece. He had a 201 file, which means that he had a very long history with the CIA, and in 1973 the CIA destroyed that entire file. So, in other words, what is going to come out now is basically a fraction of what was, once upon a time, in the files of the CIA. Now the CIA has been questioned about this and they said that this was "routine cleaning" [housekeeping]. So in the "routine cleaning" of the files, they destroyed potentially damaging information. We will never know what was in these files. So whatever Gates might reveal, at some point, will only be a shadow of what was actually in there.

GARY NULL: And CERTAINLY nothing that would implicate the CIA. Also, is it not the case that the primary person pushing this "single bullet", this "magic bullet" theory is Pennsylvania's Republican Senator Arlen Specter, who also was the Anita Hill basher?

[JD: Sorry, but my tape ran out at this point, and the person who was taping the broadcast for me did not immediately flip over the tape. I'm trying to obtain copies of the missing segments of the broadcasts, so that I can incorporate those transcripts into future installments of this series.]

(to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

John DiNardo

Article 2927 of alt.conspiracy.jfk: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part XII, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:58:20 GMT 1992Oct6.145820.996@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 174

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) JOHN DAVIS: Now, first of all, I have to explain myself why I think there was a conspiracy, because the available evidence indicates that Kennedy was struck twice by bullets from the front and twice by bullets coming from the rear, and Governor Connally was struck by a bullet coming from the rear that was not the same bullet that hit the President. Therefore, this adds up to anywhere from two to four shooters. Hence, a conspiracy. But evidence that it was a conspiracy goes far beyond an accounting of bullet holes.

Let's consider first the motive for an organized crime conspiracy. We have to realize that, for the first time in United States history, the executive branch of the Federal Government declared war on organized crime. This had never happened before. For the Kennedy brothers, it was all-out war against the Mob. "I'd like to be remembered as the guy who broke the Mafia", Bobby Kennedy told an associate in 1961, shortly after he took office as attorney-general. In his book, THE ENEMY WITHIN, Robert Kennedy had written: "If we do not attack organized criminals with weapons and techniques as effective as their own, they will destroy us." Now, to back up this admonition, one of the first things that Robert Kennedy did, in his assault against organized crime, was the so-called kidnap/deportation of Carlos Marcello on April 4th, 1961. Now this was an unprecedented and arguably illegal act. Kennedy had Marcello snatched off the streets, herded to an awaiting Federal jet, flown to Guatemala, and dumped in a Guatemala City airport. Marcello had complained that he couldn't call his wife, pack any clothes, or cash a check. The action put the Mob on notice that Kennedy was serious. Upon returning to the U.S. illegally, Marcello swore vengeance against the Kennedys on at least three reported occasions. We have witnesses for three occasions in which Marcello swore vengeance against the Kennedys.

[JD: I could not understand a few of Davis's words because his voice was overdriving the input of the phone.]

JOHN DAVIS: Immediately after this episode, Robert Kennedy went after (quote) "friends and associates" of Marcello, Santos Trafficante, [name is unintelligible due to aircraft radio interference], and the mob-led Teamsters' [Union] boss, Jimmy Hoffa. Soon, FBI electronic listening devices began picking up complaints from mobsters all over the country about what Kennedy was doing to them. I'll mention just two of them. They were reported by the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1979. [Name is unintelligible], a mobster working for the Bruno Family in Philadelphia, was recorded by a bug saying this: "See what Kennedy done? With Kennedy, I should take a knife and stab and kill the f*cker. I mean it. This is true. Honest to God. I hope I get a week's notice. I'll kill. I'll kill, right in the White House. Somebody has got to get rid of this guy." Nicolino Carlente[sp], a Genovese Family caporegine[? - probably means something like "royal head"], two months later was recorded by an FBI bug saying this: "I'd like to hit Kennedy. I'd gladly go to the penitentiary for the rest of my life. Believe me."

Well, by the fall of 1962, the Mafia had become desperate. In the summer of '62, Jimmy Hoffa, who of course was totally controlled by the Mafia, confided a plan to assassinate both Kennedy brothers to Louisiana Teamsters official, Edwin Parton. Parton's testimony on this issue was later confirmed by a Louisiana judge. Two months later, a businessman from Las Vegas was present at a farm house in Louisiana when he heard Carlos Marcello threaten to kill President Kennedy; not only threaten, but to outline a plan to kill him in order to neutralize his crusading brother Bobby. Two weeks after this, Marcello's Florida friend and associate, Santos Trafficante -- who was very much involved also in the anti-Castro Cuban movement -- was talking to a Cuban exile leader, Jose' Alaman[sp] about how Robert Kennedy was persecuting Jimmy Hoffa. "Mark my word", Trafficante told Alaman, "This man Kennedy is in trouble and will get what is coming to him." At this, Alaman took issue with Trafficante and Trafficante replied, "No, Jose', you don't understand me. Kennedy is not going to make it to the election. He is going to be hit." Alaman, incidentally, who doubled as an FBI informant, related this conversation to the FBI and it was eventually related to FBI director J. Edgar Hoover. So Hoover, by this time -- by the fall of 1962 -- must have known that some plot was in the wind.

Skipping a few months, we come to the spring of 1963, and an allegation by an FBI informant in New Orleans that seemed to indicate that a plot, a Mafia plot to assassinate Kennedy was in the wind. Eugene Della Colle[sp], who was a bar man in a Marcello controlled bar in New Orleans, told the FBI that in April, 1963, Carlos Marcello's brother Tony had come into the bar one morning to service the slot machines, and said (quote): "There is a price on the President's head and other members of the Kennedy Family. Somebody will kill Kennedy when he comes south."

So, in conclusion, Mafia boss Carlos Marcello and his allies in the Mob and in the Teamsters Union had powerful motives to kill Kennedy. We have witnesses who have testified to their planning an assassination attack on the President; associates who apparently had foreknowledge of such an attack, such as Santos Trafficante and the one I just mentioned -- Tony Marcello. So the motive was there.

Now, if you want to get into a discussion of means, we can do that. If you want to get into a discussion of how a cover-up was put in place, we can go into that.

GARY NULL: Sir, we're going to get into all those things, but unfortunately, we have a terrible, almost inaudible connection on your line. We're going to ask you to hang up so that our engineer can call you back. But I want Jones Harris to stay on. I just want John Davis to hang up because we're going to call you back. I'm sorry for the poor technical quality.

Let's switch over to Jones Harris. Welcome to our program Mr. Harris.

JONES HARRIS: Hi, Gary. Nice to meet you at long last. I've looked forward to this. Now, I'd just like to make a few comments.

I'm nowhere near as informed on the Organized Crime level as John Davis, who has written an excellent book, that I do recommend to people to read, called MAFIA KINGFISH. My point is this. I went to Dallas at the end of '63 and then spent a lot of '64 there. I interviewed a great many people: police, lawyers who knew police, and so forth. It was made very clear to me that Jack Ruby was a member of Organized Crime, that he had been so for a long time; that he held a very important position for anybody to hold in any major American city. And that is, he was one of the chief suborners of all Dallas police who would do the bidding of Organized Crime. He was the payoff man, which meant that he had a LOT of important information and a lot of important knowledge. Anybody who knows the case knows the ease with which he circulated throughout those days, including getting in [into the Dallas courthouse] in order to kill Oswald. I don't think there's any doubt that Jack Ruby worked directly under a man named Joe Civella[sp], who was the Organized Crime boss in Dallas, who directly, himself, worked under the far more important figure, Carlos Marcello.

I'd like to tell your audience, Gary, that the idea of a conspiracy does not begin with a lot of researchers and people like myself, some of whom wrote books, some of whom didn't. It begins within the Warren Commission itself. I think there are not many people who understood that one of the top members of the Commission, Senator Richard Russell [of Georgia] REFUSED TO SIGN the Warren Commission [Report] at the end when it was finished. He had felt all along that it was a conspiracy. He had called Marina Oswald, from whom eighty percent of the stuff against Lee Oswald came .... he had called her a liar and said that she had lied specifically to the Commission on six different occasions. He then had to sit down with Warren and Johnson, and he finally submitted to signing the thing, though he changed the preamble a little bit. He then told me, and told any number of interviewers and close friends for the rest of his days, that he was UTTERLY convinced that this thing was a conspiracy: the killing of Kennedy. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty-year cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.

John DiNardo

Article 2947 of alt.conspiracy.jfk: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part XIII, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:08:17 GMT 1992Oct7.200817.23480@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 188

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) JONES HARRIS: When I was fortunate enough again to interview John McCloy some years before he died, and sat with him and his wife in his home in Connecticut, and we talked things over, he said to me as I was leaving: "Mr. Harris, we realized afterwards that there were many things that were never told to us." Now this was important, coming from John McCloy because John McCloy had been priveleged to deal in intelligence matters for the United States from 1917 on. I thought that that was an important admission. I believe that Organized Crime played a very important role in the Kennedy assassination, Gary, but I do not think that is the total story. And one of the reasons I think it's not the total story is the very thing that John Davis mentioned. I do not believe that Trafficante would have said to a non-Mob person that "Kennedy was going to be hit" if Organized Crime themselves were sending in the killers. I do not believe that he would then have made that comment to a non-Organized Crime person. I do believe that what Organized crime did was ..... this crime could have taken place in Miami. It could have taken place in Dallas. It was a moveable feat. It could have taken place in Chicago. But wherever it was going to take place, Organized Crime's contacts with those police figures who were corrupt were going to be very important to making the thing come out the right way. And there is no question that in the Dallas area, that man was Jack Ruby.

GARY NULL: Alright. We're going to pause and reflect on all of this, put this into perspective, and recapitulate some of the things that John Davis has suggested. John, are you back on the line?

JOHN DAVIS: Yes, I am.

GARY NULL: I'd also like to introduce Gaeton Fonzi. Welcome to our program, Mr. Fonzi.

GAETON FONZI: Thank you.

GARY NULL: We're going to come to you in just a moment because you are a highly respected investigator and journalist. You were an investigator for the House Select Committee on Assassinations. And we're going to get your perspective.

Again, it is not our intention to suggest that one group, one individual alone [is guilty], but rather, we're looking at all of the pieces and saying: What evidence do we have that was not and has not been made the primary focus of either the Warren Commission or the general news media presentation in taking it to a level that, up to this point, simply has not existed. And also, we're going to deal with some of the inconsistencies that have occurred and some of the theories that have gone on. So we're going to come to these issues in just a moment.

Now, because this is a non-commercial public access station, WBAI, and as a part of the overall Pacifica Network throughout the United States, several times a year we have to take a couple of weeks and just raise some funds so that the station can continue, so that we can keep ourselves commercial-free.

For twenty-seven years, as an award-winnning investigative journalist who has broken more stories -- over two hundred and seventy-three major stories in the areas of medicine, the environment, consumer health issues, I have always had to start off with the problem of not just convincing the American Public that there is something wrong with something that they were believing in and trusting in, but I also had to go up against the very forces who have enormous economic power and who have control over the media. For instance, just two days ago, the New York Times, in an editorial, started to talk about the fact that there was a challenge against the theory that the HIV virus is the single cause of AIDS. Where was the New York Times eight years ago when this information was readily available? And where was Time Magazine twenty-five years ago talking about vitamins? NOW they say that vitamins help to prevent diseases like cancer. Yes, vitamins do. But the evidence has been there all along. And it hasn't been hidden. The evidence has been there that the HIV virus is not the single cause of AIDS. It could not POSSIBLY be the single cause of AIDS. There's no science to prove that, by itself, it causes anything. And yet, why is it that no one has written about it? Today's Amsterdam News writes about it.

The problem is that you have three things to contend with. First, is convincing someone that something they thought was true is not. Secondly, trying to deal with the idea that if you're going to challenge the Status Quo -- as we're challenging the Status Quo on the Kennedy Assassination -- that means you're challenging something that people believe in almost as much as they believe in themselves, or their parents, or their whole life. And that is: orthodoxy; that is: authority. So it takes a great deal of effort for the person to even be open to an idea that challenges the prevailing view. And then, thirdly, is to see whether or not they believe you enough to even look at the evidence you have, and then try it. Why do you think, for instance, just now we changed the Basic Four Food Group, which was a SCAM. It was a fraud. It was unscientific. It was an economic ploy. And it killed people by the hundreds of thousands and millions because they were saturating their bodies and their arteries with cholesterol and fats. And it causes heart disease and cancer. Well now we know that. Alright? That's known. BUT, we knew that all along. Certain people knew it. Just like my guests today .... they have information that they've had for a long time. Mr. Harris has had information for a long time. He had information in 1978 that nobody wanted to pay attention to. "Nobody", meaning mainstream media, and mainstream belief systems. But it didn't matter. He has continued. We have a forum. It's a small forum, but we have a forum for it.

AMY GOODMAN: For a contribution of fifty dollars, you support Gary Null here every weekday, and you support WBAI, a commercial-free radio station that would dare to put Gary Null on the air as much as we do. We don't have corporate sponsors. We don't have drug companies who say: "We don't want our dogma, our ideology challenged." Of course, they wouldn't say that on the air, but they would say it to management. But we are corporate-free. We are commercial-free. And that's what makes us important. That's what enables us to bring you Gary Null. If that is a philosophy that is important to you, (212) 279-3400 is the number to call and support WBAI.

GARY NULL: Right now, we're in the midst of a special twenty-five-part investigation on conspiracies, cover-ups and hidden agendas. We're looking at life in a way that we've never been told existed.

On the conference phone we now have Jones Harris, we have Gaeton Fonzi, and we also have John Davis. I'd like to come back to you at this time, Mr. Harris. If you would please continue talking about what we now know about the Warren Commission and the information that it chose to accept and review, and that which it chose to EXCLUDE, including individuals whose testimony or evidence it chose not to use, and that information that it chose to use, which now in retrospect, anyone can see should not have been included.

JONES HARRIS: Gary, if I may, let me answer your question in a slightly broader way than you're suggesting because the limits of your question would better go to Mr. Fonzi or to John Davis.

But let me say this to the public that is interested in this. Not only did the Warren Commission go well out of its way not to explore the Organized Crime end of this thing. Sad to say, he's a man whom I knew well -- and I know that he's dying at this moment -- but I have to say that Jim Garrison is also a man who did everything he could (and I worked for him down there) to shield the Organized Crime community. I'll give you one example of that, if this might be of interest to you.

The first day I went down to work for him (and I like him very much. A very personable fellow), he said: "Jones, what's the first thing you'd like to do?" And I raised the name of Carlos Marcello. And this great big six-foot-seven giant looked down at me and he said: "Well Jones, of course, Carlos used to be in Organized Crime, but he's just a businessman now." And there was a pause, and then Garrison said to me: "Jones, you and I can have lunch with Carlos whenever you want." Now this was one of the first things that I found worrying when I started to work down there. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty-year cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.

John DiNardo

Article 11001 of alt.censorship: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part XIV(corrected), PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:54:34 GMT 1992Oct12.125434.10654@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 149

CORRECTED: I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) JONES HARRIS: So, my point here is this: that the decision not to look very firmly at Organized Crime starts almost from the beginning. It starts with the Dallas Police. It starts with the Bureau [the FBI]. It starts with the Warren Commission. It continues to Garrison, and I must say that even though the Blakey Committee finally did come through and say: "Yes, it looks as though there might have been involvement", considering all the time that they spent, I found that their information was awful awful thin.

GARY NULL: Alright. Let's explore that in some depth now, and let's go over to Mr. Fonzi. Please hold on, Mr. Harris. Mr. Fonzi, thank you very much for being with us. Let's explore a few things. Now you were an investigator with the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Did you find that there was any attempt by either the FBI or the CIA or other leading law enforcement agencies or the attorney-general's office, after [Robert] Kennedy, to downplay or to disengage the interest of an investigation of Organized Crime in this?

GAETON FONZI: Well that was not actually one of my areas of investigation. There was, on the part of all the agencies, I believe, not a total spirit of cooperation. And, of course, when it came to the CIA, that was even more so.

Let me go back to something that John Davis said earlier on, as far as there being no concrete evidence of CIA involvement. There was no concrete evidence of anyone's involvement. There was no concrete evidence of Organized Crime's involvement. There was no concrete evidence of anti-Castro Cuban involvement or pro-Castro Cuban involvement. There was no concrete evidence of any type of involvement. There was, I believe, no concrete evidence of Lee Harvey Oswald's involvement in the assassination.

GARY NULL: Are you suggesting that Kennedy shot himself?

GAETON FONZI: What I'm suggesting is that after all these years, there has not been an adequate investigation. There was not an adequate investigation on the part of the Warren Commission, and there wasn't one on the part of the House Select Committee on Assassinations.

GARY NULL: But why? There had to have been a reason.

GAETON FONZI: Well, certainly from my own experience with the House Select Committee, I know the reason was strictly political. When Bob Blakey, the second chief counsel after the original chief counsel Richard Sprague was fired for wanting to conduct a murder investigation, a unique approach to the Kennedy Assassination, the new chief cousel Bob Blakey came in and told his staff this at the first meeting: "We have two priorities. Our first priority is to get a report done in time. Our second priority is to get a report done within our financial restrictions." And with those priorities we set out to do exactly that, limiting, of course, many many areas of investigation.

Let me just go on for a minute in terms of some of the specifics that both John Davis and Jones Harris were talking about. I agree that Organized Crime probably had a part in the assassination because of Ruby's links to Organized Crime. But I think, in trying to determine any kind of strategic planning here, you've got to account for Oswald and Oswald's movements. You've got to account for Oswald's control. And when Senator Richard Schweiker, who headed the Senate Select Subcommittee on the [John] Kennedy Assassination under the [Senator Frank] Church Select Committee on Intelligence ..... when he first got into investigating the Kennedy Assassination, his immediate conclusion, after digging into it, was that "Oswald had", as Schweiker put it, "the fingerprints of Intelligence all over his activities." So I think that, unless you crank in the control of Oswald, any theory about the Kennedy Assassination just isn't complete.

GARY NULL: Alright. Can you take us into an understanding of Alpha 66 and Antonio Visiana?

GAETON FONZI: Yes, because that goes into .... when you talk about means and motivation, I think you can find the means and motivation, not only on the part of Organized Crime, but on the part of the anti-Castro Cubans or on the part of the intelligence agencies, and in almost any direction you look. But what I feel is the strongest is the overall picture of the intelligence agencies' connections to the anti-Castro Cubans, and their motivation. And that goes back to the period following the Bay of Pigs. Kennedy was given a lot of blame for the failure of the Bay of Pigs [Invasion], but it wasn't his fault. The Bay of Pigs was planned -- including the air strikes -- by the [Central Intelligence] Agency before Kennedy became president. And he was not even told about the air strikes. Subsequently, as a result of that failure, Kennedy was very angry, both at Castro and at the Intelligence Agency. And he sent his brother Bobby to actually begin taking over the Agency, and set up a secret war against Castro that was based out of this Florida area here. And over the course of the years this became the largest CIA operation outside of Langley [Virginia, CIA Headquarters]. It was called the Jam Wave Station and it conducted a very very effective operation against Castro almost on a daily and nightly basis. These training camps, or these guerilla camps, were set up by the Agency. They were controlled by Agency personnel using anti-Castro Cubans as the operatives. And their spirit and motivation became blended with the anti-Castro Cubans' goals.

Come the Cuban Missile Crisis when Kennedy realized that, as a result of this very effective war against Castro, Castro permitted the Russian missiles to be brought into Cuba. Kennedy realized that he had brought the world to the brink of a nuclear disaster. So he made arrangements with [Soviet Premier] Kruschev to stop the secret war and to close down these guerilla bases in return for the withdrawal of the missiles.

When he did that, the guerilla bases continued operating against -- in defiance -- of the President's orders. As a result of that, Kennedy was forced to use other agencies -- the Navy, the Coast Guard and other military agencies -- to close down these camps. And in the process, he arrested some of these anti-Castro Cubans whom the Government had been supporting. This was reason enough for the anti-Castro Cubans and their Intelligence [Agency] partners to consider Kennedy a traitor. And as a matter of fact, during the height of delicate negotiations with Kruschev, it was Alpha 66, one of the most militant anti-Castro groups, that tried to sink Russian ships in Havana Harbor, again defying Kennedy's orders. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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John DiNardo

Article 2990 of alt.conspiracy.jfk: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part XV, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:23:31 GMT 1992Oct12.212331.1686@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 161

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) GAETON FONZI: When I was working for Senator Schweiker, on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, I developed a witness in Miami named Antonio Visiana. He was a former accountant in Cuba who had founded Alpha 66. As I said, it was Alpha 66 that was one of the anti-Castro Cuban groups that actually tried to blow up the Russian ships in Havana Harbor, and blow apart Kennedy's deal with Kruschev. Visiana told me that he was recruited in Havana in 1961 by an American named Maurice Bishop. Bishop was the secret behind-the-scenes strategic director of everything that he did with Alpha 66. He worked with Bishop from 1961 until 1973, and during that period of time, he worked with him on three attempts to assassinate Fidel Castro. These were operations planned by Bishop who was obviously an intelligence operative. He met with Bishop several times a year and whenever it became necessary to plan strategy. In September of 1963, he made arrangements to meet with Bishop in the lobby of an office building in Dallas. That was nothing new because he had met Bishop a number of times in Dallas. When Visiana arrived, Bishop was talking to a young man. When President Kennedy was assassinated, Visiana immediately recognized Lee Harvey Oswald as that young man. I thought that this was tremendously important; perhaps the single most significant piece of new evidence since the Warren Commission investigation, because Bishop was obviously CIA. And the CIA had repeatedly denied any connection or contact with Oswald. After we got Visiana to develop a sketch of Bishop, it was Senator Schweiker who identified Bishop as being David Atlee Phillips, a CIA officer who had risen to one of the highest ranks in the Agency as the Chief of the Western Hemisphere Division. And we discovered that Phillips was an undercover agent in Havana during the period in which Visiana said that he had met Bishop. In 1963, Phillips was Chief of Covert Operations in Mexico City, and he was subsequently responsible for all the disinformation that the CIA had fed the Warren Commission about Oswald's visits there.

This was one of the areas -- the link between David Atlee Phillips and Maurice Bishop -- that I feel the House Select Committee didn't want to go into because it would have opened too many doors, too many important doors. And every one of those doors was marked "CIA".

GARY NULL: Alright. Now, if that is the case, then let's summarize here. What we have is a group of individuals with intelligence community associations: CIA. We also have a few people who were ex-FBI, including one who would play a very important role, and who was also very familiar with Alpha 66. Then we had Guy Bannister. Now I don't believe that it was possible for Guy Bannister and David Ferrie ..... who both were known to Alpha 66 and the people [thereunto] associated, and who also were familiar with what had gone on with some attempted assassinations of Kennedy (with CIA involvement). I believe that that had to have been a sub-contract to the Mob. And when you look at what Johnny Roselli was testifying about in secret, and then he was killed just a short time after that, then you start to bring in Sam Giancana and Santos Trafficante, the Mob boss of Tampa. And you start showing the connection -- that it wasn't just possibly the Mob, and it wasn't just the intelligence community. It was a marriage of the two.

Still, if you look at the precision of the assassination -- and we have new information about that assassination that we're going to be revealing for the first time anywhere, in another week or so -- it could not have been done unless people were very very SKILLED in hits.

[JD: The tape ran out here. I'll try to obtain a copy of the missing remainder of the broadcast, but for now, let's resume with the next day's broadcast. Here again, I missed some of the beginning.]

GARY NULL: ..... ended up being there when it arrived in Bethdesda. And also, (a very important piece of evidence) the fact that there were three separate caskets that entered that hospital .....

DAVID LIFTON: I said two.

GARY NULL: Two. Well, also there was a circumstance of the same one being seen twice: the bronze casket.

DAVID LIFTON: Separate entries of two caskets. That's correct, according to the evidence.

GARY NULL: But the public was led to believe that there was only one casket: the casket that the President's body was put in in Dallas, arriving at Bethdesda Naval Hospital hours later, a routine autopsy being performed. And that was the end of the story. That's what the Warren Commission was told. That's what we have been led to believe.

In point of fact, another casket, which actually contained the body of the President, arrived. Give us the circumstances surrounding the arrival of that casket. What witnesses were there to acknowledge that another casket had arrived -- that it was not the bronze casket -- that the President's body was not the way that it was when it left Dallas?

DAVID LIFTON: Now, these are two separate issues you're addressing here. One is the condition of the body, and the other is the issue of multiple caskets. So which would you like me to address first?

GARY NULL: Begin with the different caskets.

DAVID LIFTON: Okay. What I was able to show in BEST EVIDENCE (and I obtained reports which had not been examined. In fact, they're not even in the National Archives, as far as the Warren Commission investigation goes) is the report of the military casket team. In that casket team report (and I interviewed the men who were on the casket team) ..... Let's make sure we understand what the casket team is. These are the pall bearers, the honor guard that met Air Force One when it arrived on the night of November 22nd at Andrews Air Force Base. This is a multi-service casket team consisting of Navy, Air Force, Army and Coast Guard, and headed by a man named Lieutenant Samuel Byrd who subsequently died of wounds incurred in Vietnam.

These men described to me (in telephone interviews and, in one case, in an in-person interview in the year 1967. And it's hard to believe that it was so long ago: twenty-five years ago) what occurred at the front of Bethesda Naval Hospital when the Navy ambulance pulled up. That ambulance pulled up and they tried to follow that ambulance from seven o'clock when it arrived at the front of Bethesda until eight o'clock when they finally brought the coffin in. There is an hour, sort of a missing time in there. Now we can quibble over whether it's forty-five minutes, thirty-five minutes. But there's a serious incident in there where they attempt to follow the Navy ambulance, lose the ambulance, and are told by their superiors that they have followed the decoy. There is a decoy ambulance. NONE of this made it into the Warren Commission Report. It's ALL on my telephone interview tapes. And the written report says that they brought the big casket, which we all saw off-loaded on TV, and the one that is supposed to contain the body .... they brought that in at eight o'clock. That is their official written report dated December (oh, I don't know) fifth or tenth, 1963. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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John DiNardo

Article 16516 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part XVI, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:04:32 GMT 1992Oct16.160432.29973@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 145

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) DAVID LIFTON: Now, contrary to that evidence, I actually located the witnesses who were at the back of the hospital, and who participated in off-loading the vehicle and the casket in which the body actually was in. And that was a black hearse which arrived at about ten minutes 'til seven, Eastern Time. That black hearse had two men in O.R. smocks and a group of civilians. A shipping casket was brought out of that hearse. Dennis David, who is in Chapter 25 of my book, described the scene of his men off-loading that casket. Furthermore, I have documentary evidence, which is in my book (it's actually at the Gerald Ford Library now), that the arrival occurred at 6:50, apparently. This is the shipping casket. It was brought into the hospital. That shipping casket was opened by Paul O'Connor who was the medical technician at Bethesda Naval Hospital. Inside that shipping casket, according to O'Connor, the President's body was in a body bag. He unzipped the body bag. That statement was accepted and published by the House Select Committee: the fact that he opened the President's body bag; that the body was in a body bag. That's the information that the body did not arrive in the same casket that it left Dallas in, even though, of course, the big casket arrives at the front of the hospital.

Now, it so happens that the big casket enters twice: once at eight o'clock, as I've just described in the casket scene. However, it also enters at 7:14. That casket entry is documented in FBI documents provided by FBI agents Seibert and O'Neill. So we have three casket entries: the one in the shipping casket at 6:50 when, apparently, the body arrived. Then there's this covert entry of the big casket while the casket team is chasing around looking for it. And that's apparently when the body was put back into the big casket so that they could have an official casket opening at 8:00.

This hocus-pocus is documented. I think any historian has to accept the fact that there are three documented entries. One can argue and say that it's all a matter of a mix-up of the paperwork. I think that that is highly unlikely in view of the other part of my case which involves actual alterations to the body. That's a separate issue. But on the area of the chain-of-possession, I want to tell you that when this material was run on San Francisco TV station KRON-TV, in a documentary in which I was a consultant, narrated by Sylvia Chase and produced by Stanhope Gould, Stanhope said to the San Francisco papers (and I was very pleased with this), he says:

"David Lifton has courtroom evidence that the body did not make an uninterrupted journey from Dallas to Bethesda. Something happened. He interviewed these witnesses personally, on camera. He sat with them for hours in restaurants. They are credible."

And unless one believes in some crazy theory of Maxwell's demons, and that reality went haywire that night, as it is supposed to have gone haywire in Dealey Plaza that afternoon, with all kinds of non-physical things occurring; you know, the head going the wrong way on the Zapruder Film, or witnesses not understanding where the shots came from ..... This is another episode at Bethesda that night. And I say that what we are witnessing is, in fact, an interruption in the chain-of-possession. A disguise was in force. The decoy ambulance business smells. And something happened that night. Now, in my book I try to explain what that something is. But focusing just on the microscopic here, something happened. There are three documented entries of two caskets.

GARY NULL: Okay. Now let's go! What do you think happened, and how is it significant to the conspiracy concept?

DAVID LIFTON: Okay. In what I am now going to say, I'm not addressing the autopsy X-rays and photographs. I am addressing the descriptions of the body as recorded in the official documentation in the Bethesda autopsy report and testimony. Okay? Because the autopsy photos and X-rays are another issue -- and an important one -- and a separate issue. But to avoid confusion (on a radio program we do not have visual aids), what I'm going to say to you is that the legal record (and one of the accomplishments of my book was to demonstrate that the Bethesda medical record, based on the descriptions of the head wound, for example, is different from the Dallas medical record), the Dallas record described a 35 square centimeter hole (wound) in the back right-rear of the President's head, with a flap of scalp connected with that hole at the back -- a wound at the right-rear of the head. Okay? I documented that in my book. I showed that news accounts, starting with the press conference conducted within an hour of the time of death, when the two doctors Clark and Perry conducted a press conference at Parkland Hospital, with news interviews over the weekend, with testimony before the Warren Commission, with their medical reports -- it all points to the fact that the doctors in Dallas saw a hole at the right-rear of the head. Connected with that hole was a flap of scalp. They all thought that a bullet had exited from the right-rear of the head. When I say, "they all thought", let's say with one minor exception. But that's what their diagnosis was. And the brain was inside the head. It was not gone, or anything of that sort. There was severe damage. There was some brain tissue blown out. But it was not as if the President was in Dallas, Texas with an empty cranium.

Now, that is the Dallas evidence. I refer anybody listening to this to Chapter 13 of my book ["BEST EVIDENCE"]. At the Bethesda end of the line, I personally think that the finest evidence there is is a blood-stained diagram -- today at the National Archives. That blood-stained diagram, executed by Commander Boswell, one of it's autopsy surgeons, shows measurements ten-by-seventeen for the hole in the top of the President's head. Ten-by-seventeen is 170 square centimeters. That's FIVE times larger than the thirty-five square centimeters hole at Parkland. To use inches, at Parkland it was thought to be two and three-quarter inches across. At Bethesda it's seven or eight inches on the diagonal. In the official autopsy description, it was listed as thirteen centimeters across, which is still a mighty big hole. It was not what was seen in Dallas.

Furthermore, specifically stated in the Bethesda report is that the scalp is entirely gone over that hole. There is no flap. It is just GONE. Now that huge crater in the top right-hand side of the head is described in the Bethesda autopsy report, and it conflicts with Dallas. Furthermore, two agents present -- FBI agents Seibert and O'Neill, again who are also connected with the coffin business; that is, in providing us with valuable information about that 7:14 entry -- two FBI agents report that when the body was removed from the casket in which it had been transported, and placed on the autopsy table, it was apparent that there had been surgery of the head area; namely, in the top of the skull. NO such surgery was performed in Dallas. If the FBI statement is true (and that's a very critical question; it ought to be investigated by a special prosecutor) ..... if the FBI statement is true, then something happened to the body between Dallas and Bethesda. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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John DiNardo

Article 16630 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part XVII, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1992 12:18:27 GMT 1992Oct20.121827.20733@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 141

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) DAVID LIFTON: Now that is the evidence that something happened between Dallas and Bethdesda. And the consequence of that medical alteration -- if it occurred -- is that the Dallas doctors thought that something exited from the rear of the head. The Bethesda doctors thought that something entered from the rear and blew out the top. Did the doctors recognize [believe] it? Was this a perfect medical forgery? Absolutely not. They didn't recognize it because the FBI documents that I've obtained under the Freedom of Information Act indicate that the FBI wrote down what the doctors said. So if I'm correct, my interpretation not only goes to what happened on the body, but what happened in the room. In other words, to paraphrase the old question from Watergate: What did the doctors know, and when did they know it? Well, according to the FBI, the doctors IMMEDIATELY, and I stress, immmediately recognized that there had been surgery of the head area; namely in the top of the skull. That's what I think the record shows in this case. This is not some kind of a perfect crime! It's a very sloppy crime. I think that a special prosecutor ought to question these doctors who are still alive -- and they MUST be questioned before they pass on. I think that we would get some stunning new information about this case because I personally interviewed one of the FBI agents, and I know that he's going to stand behind his statement, contrary to a foolish affidavit, excerpted in some weird fashion and published by professor Blakey in a report in which they tried to make it appear that the FBI agents said that this was not true.

So that's what happened in the area of the head. I believe that the configuration of the wounds was changed. Now, in the area of the neck we have a similar problem. We have a tracheotomy, supposedly, according to the sworn testimony of Doctor Malcolm Perry in Dallas, done through the neck wound. That tracheotomy, Doctor Perry told me in 1966, was two to three centimeters. And according to everybody there, it had neat edges -- neat edges as made with a knife. I would be more than willing to testify before any investigation that Perry told me that it was two to three centimeters, in 1966, and to offer my telephone interview tapes as evidence. In 1966, I interviewed all the doctors on this issue of the length of the tracheotomy incision. At the Dallas end of the line it was two to three centimeters; four, some of them said. There's one or two stragglers who say it was a little bit bigger. But Perry made the incision. He told me it was two to three centimeters. In the autopsy report, that thing is listed as six-and-a-half centimeters with widely gaping edges. And under oath, Humes said it was seven to eight centimeters. And it has, according to the autopsy report, widely gaping irregular edges. So that is the issue: that something happened to the throat wound between Dallas and Bethesda.

Now, if it was an entry wound, as the Dallas doctors originally alleged and believed, if a bullet or fragment entered at the front of the throat and lodged, as most of them believed, at the top of the right lung, isn't it interesting that when the body was opened at Bethesda, where the Dallas doctors thought there was a bullet, the Bethesda doctors found a bloody bruise with a pyramid-shaped scar. That's circumstantial evidence, of course, but I think it's probative. So that's the situation. I believe that there was bullet extraction from the area of the throat too. All of this put together raises again this question of probability. Can all these doctors ..... can this pattern be an accident? Can we simply be looking at mistaken medical observations, mistaken FBI reports, mistaken observations of those who know what kind of casket was used? I think not! I think this is the kind of stuff that the can opener of a special prosecutor could pry wide open.

GARY NULL: Okay. That's a good presentation. Now we're going to summarize here for a moment. What you're suggesting is that there is hard evidence, good documentation that the casket and the state of the President's body that left Dallas is not the same casket and state of the President's body that arrived in Bethesda.

DAVID LIFTON: Right. There's not only a break in the chain-of-possession, but there is alteration of the evidence.

GARY NULL: Alright. So they altered evidence. Now if this were put on trial, that would be a major issue.

DAVID LIFTON: That would be a major allegation. I can also guide you a little bit, if you wish, into the way that the rebuttal would work so the reader can understand the nature of this problem.

GARY NULL: Okay. I'm going to ask you to hold onto that thought because there's a lot more information. Now we're going to go, in just a few moments, over to our other guest, Doctor Cyril Wecht, on this issue. There is also the Leibeler Memorandum which I want to talk about. And I want to talk about some new information and the emergence of a new hypothesis. I want to talk about the Seibert and O'Neill Report. And I want to look at the X-rays and the photographs, and the allegations of Doctor John Ebersole, and some of the comments from the House Select Committee in 1978. Alright? We'll be doing that in a few moments.

I do want to mention to our audience that three times a year, here on WBAI, non-commercial, public, free-access radio, part of the Pacifica Network, that we must take a break to do some fund-raising so that we can continue paying our bills. We're going to come back to our guests in about ten minutes and continue on with this information, presenting more documentation that the American Public has not been made privy to, but which it must in order to make reasonable judgments about the conclusions drawn by the Warren Commission; about the role that the media has played in the official position, and what this means.

Yesterday, you heard us talk about the fact that various members of Organized Crime were implicated in this, and certain middle-level members, by name, of the CIA; certain members of the FBI, by name, such as Guy Banister; the pro and anti-Castro movements involving Oswald, and the fact that, up to this point, we cannot find evidence that Oswald was implicated in the assassination. It's so easy to have a single gunman, a single person, and end it there. But we CANNOT end it there if the evidence doesn't indicate that it should be ended there. And it does not. And so we're looking hard, and we're looking where mainstream media either has chosen not to look, or has looked and chosen not to accept the evidence. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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John DiNardo

Article 16698 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part XVIII, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 13:20:33 GMT 1992Oct22.132033.16754@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 147

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) GARY NULL: We're allowing you to make the decision, rather than making it for you. We'll be back with this special investigative report. Eighteen more [one-hour] parts to this series to come. Bit by bit, we're laying the information out. It's too much to lay out all at once. It would be too confusing. .....

In our series on hidden agendas, conspiracies and cover-ups, we are examing one type of cover-up, and that involves the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Later on in this series we'll be dealing with other issues, other forms of cover-up.

Most Americans, for a long period of time, believed the Warren Commission, which said that two bullets fired by one man, who had no connection to anyone, killed the President. There was never a detailed effort to try to understand the inconsistencies, the missing or altered evidence, nor the media's compliance with this particular single view. We are now looking at new information and trying to see whether or not the American Public has been given all the information by the media to allow it to make an intelligent decision about what really was involved. My guest on today's program is Jerry Policoff from WXIX-TV in Cincinnati, Ohio, a researcher since 1966 whose articles on the assassination of John F. Kennedy appeared in GALLERY MAGAZINE. He has also written for ROLLING STONE, NEW TIMES, THE REALIST and other publications, and in the op-ed pages of the New York Times and the Washington Post. Most recently he wrote a very fine article in the VILLAGE VOICE, co-authored with Robert Hennelly.

My other guest is Jim Marrs, author of CROSSFIRE: THE PLOT THAT KILLED KENNEDY. He is also a reporter for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. He was a reporter for the Denton Record-Chronicle at the time of the assassination of John Kennedy. He teaches at the University of Texas at Arlington, on the assassination of President Kennedy. Welcome to our program, Jerry Policoff.

JERRY POLICOFF: Hi. How are you?

GARY NULL: and welcome to our program, Jim Marrs.

JIM MARRS: It's good to be with you.

GARY NULL: Jim, we're going to begin with you, and I'm going to be giving information, through you, which the American Public simply has not been made generally aware of, so we can throw new light on this entire issue. I'm going to run through some issues with you. I'd like for you to address them. First and foremost, let's try to understand all the different things that occurred in Dealey Plaza that most people had not even considered -- not even the Warren Commission. We've been led to believe that it was just part of a regular motorcade -- that this man just HAPPENED to have known the [details of the] motorcade, planted himself there in very short order, and was able to get off what is simply the fastest, most accurate shooting in the HISTORY of marksmanship -- and that that's how it went down. Nothing outside of that occurred that should throw any suspicion upon this. And, by and large, most of the media in America, for all these years, has accepted that.

Quickly, let's go through it and decide what happened on November 22nd of 1963 in Dealey Plaza -- the motorcade, the crowd, the suspicious men, the "babuska lady", the Texas School Book Depository, the districting[?] seizure, the man in the doorway, the Oswald encounter, the triple underpass, the smoke from the grassy knoll, the third wounded man, the Zapruder film, the black-dog man, the badge man, the grassy knoll witnesses ..... Let's go through all of this so that the American People can know that, all along, this information was available, that people were coming forward, and that this was excluded from being properly investigated or reported on.

JIM MARRS: Right. And I think you've pretty well touched on it here. If you look at any one single issue in this whole case, then there is always doubt, there is always the possibility of a coincidence, or maybe of just a mistake, or whatever. But you have to look at this evidence in its totality. All of this evidence -- everything we could talk about -- still comes back to one thing. And that is the "single bullet theory". The "single bullet theory" says that one of the bullets struck both Kennedy and Connally, causing seven wounds to these two men, including shattering Connally's fifth rib and shattering his wrist bone. Now if the one bullet did not hit both men, then there has to be more than one shooter, in which case we've got a crossfire; we've got a conspiracy. And that elevates this thing to a whole new ball game. So I'd like to address that first.

They knew how long the assassination took because of the Zapruder Film. The FBI diligently checked his camera and found out that it ran at eighteen frames per second. So they know that all of the shooting happened within 5.6 seconds. Alright. Now, within 5.6 seconds it is physically impossible for one man with a bolt-action rifle to fire more than three rounds. Hence, they had to say that there were only three shots fired. Alright. Two of those shots are accounted for, which leaves only ONE bullet to account for the seven wounds to Kennedy and Connally. So how did they go about this?

They simply told us -- and they are STILL TELLING US (people within the Warren Commission: [President] Gerald Ford, David Dillon[?]) are STILL telling us that the bullet went through Kennedy's neck, did not hit anything, and then went on to hit Connally. In fact, the Warren Commission Report itself, "Number One: Findings," said: "President Kennedy was first struck by a bullet which entered at the back of his neck and exited through the lower front portion of his neck." Now the problem is that this is a small, but critical LIE! And I say it's a lie because I'll prove it to you in just a minute. The President was struck in the back. Okay? And they were unable to probe the wound. However, even if they had probed it, they claimed that it went upward and exited out his neck. Now -- there's no question about this. The autopsy face-sheet shows it. It's marked "verified" by his personal physician. The autopsy doctors were quoted in the Seibert-O'Neill Report as saying that the wound was in the back -- the middle of the back. everybody says that. The shirt and jacket, which are still available, plainly show a bullet in the middle of the back. The death certificate says: "a wound in the posterior back at the level of the third thoracic vertebrae." And even Glenn Bennett, one of the Secret Service agents, in his report from hand-written notes on the day of the assassination, said that he saw the shot hit the President about four inches down from the right shoulder. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.

John DiNardo

Article 16734 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part XIX, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1992 22:04:05 GMT 1992Oct23.220405.14474@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 150

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) JIM MARRS: Okay. No problem. He was hit in the back. But the Warren Commission and everybody up to today has lied to us and said that he was hit in the neck. Why? Because he was hit in the back, and it came out his throat. That's an upward trajectory, and it could not possibly turn in mid-air and come down to strike Connally. So it destroys the "single bullet theory" which is the whole foundation of the "lone assassin theory".

Now, the "smoking gun". The "smoking gun" is the minutes of the January 27th, 1964 meeting of the Warren Commission. And we have the Chief Counsel, J. Lee Rankin addressing the Warren Commission ([ex-CIA Director] Allen Dulles, [future President] Gerald Ford). And he says (quote):

"It seems quite apparent now, since we have a picture of where the bullet entered in the back, that the bullet entered below the shoulder blade, to the right of the backbone, which is below the place where the picture shows the bullet came out the neckband of the shirt, in front. So that how it could turn and ......"

And he trails off, because he realizes he has just talked his way right out of the "single bullet theory". So they all just decided to turn their eyes. They're not going to look at the facts, and they're going to lie to us and say that the bullet went [entered] through the neck. And THAT is the crux of this whole case. It was a lie from start to finish. It was a lie perpetrated at the highest levels of the Federal Government. And those people who knew better -- who knew where the bullet went, and then lied to us -- are technically and legally, under the law, guilty of being accessories-after-the-fact, which, under the law, means that they are just as guilty as whoever pulled the trigger[s].

And that's what elevates this crime from the murder of President Kennedy to a coup d'etat in the United States.

[JD: a crime of "high treason" against the people of the United States]

GARY NULL: Alright. Let's take a look at the other evidence. Then I want to come back to your assertion here, because if there was a coup d'etat, I want to go through the cast of characters and people who have been alleged, up to this point, to be suspects; such as: Organized Crime, pro and anti-Castro Cubans, the CIA and other intelligence agencies, the FBI, some of the oil cartel men, some of the right-wing reactionaries, some of the military hierarchy. I want to look at each one of these, because you could not have a coup d'etat without having the participation of at least four of those groups. It would not work. And anyone planning a military operation of this magnitude would have known that.

JIM MARRS: That's true.

GARY NULL: You do not plan a coup d'etat if you know that the military could come in and stop you. The FBI would stop you. The Justice Department would stop you. So, Organized Crime, by itself, could not possibly do it -- which is what's laughable about many of these assertions that Organized Crime could do this. First of all, it is my theory that these members of Organized Crime have never been very smart -- that almost everything that they have ever done we have a very detailed history of, because they've talked about every crime they've ever committed on audio tapes that are in the hands of the different courts. From John Gotti on down, every one of these people talk. They're braggarts.

Secondly, they couldn't have covered-up because they've never been able to cover anything up. In time, every one of their secrets has come forward. And, from that time until now, if Organized Crime was involved, we would have heard about it on FBI wiretaps or other taps that have occurred. So they may have had some participation. But to assume that they were responsible BY THEMSELVES? It goes beyond any feasibility.

This was a military-style operation. But the military would NOT have committed this had they known that the security agencies would have challenged them.

JIM MARRS: Exactly!

GARY NULL: So you can't have one group [committing a coup d'etat], knowing that there is a balance of power within our Government. Any one of those balances that is left uncontrolled would be the one that would uncover it or, in effect, take back the power. So you have to have, in effect, complicity by all the major groups. And I think it's laughable that Blakey, of the House Select Committee on Assassinations, would have assumed that the Mob did it by itself, as if they had the skill to do it. Their hits have been effective, but not skillful. And these [assassins] were EXTREMELY skilled. And their cover-up was meticulous. The Mob, by itself, could not have covered up, and have stolen information out of the National Archives, and done the things that have been done. So I want you to give us your view of that. But let's go back and look at other inconsistencies and obfuscations at Dealey Plaza.

JIM MARRS: Okay. First, let me make a quick point. I agree with everything that you've said, except that I would like to point out to your audience that I don't believe -- and I don't think you believe, either -- that everbody within Government and everybody within the intelligence services knew what was going to happen and participated actively in the assassination of President Kennedy. It doesn't work that way. They are all highly compartmentalized. Very often, the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. And the way to control that is from the absolute top. So we've got two men who were in absolute, undeniable, total control of the investigation into the death of President Kennedy. And it just happens to be the two men who benefitted most from the assassination, and who hated Kennedy the most. And that was Lyndon Johnson, his successor, and J. Edgar Hoover, Johnson's buddy and neighbor, who was in control of the FBI.

[JD: Many years ago, I read a report that the day before President Kennedy was assassinated, he was quoted as remarking: "That's Lyndon Johnson, and he's in a lot of trouble." Can anyone cite a published source of any quote like this?] (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.

John DiNardo

The episodes of this series can be retrieved via anonymous ftp from the sites: ftp.css.itd.umich.edu and red.css.itd.umich.edu Log in with name "anonymous" or "ftp" and supply your email address as the password. The files are kept in the directory /poli/essays.d/conspiracy.d (Instructions for ftp retrieval are dependent upon what sort of system the user is on. On a UNIX machine, one would do, at the command prompt: ftp ftp.css.itd.umich.edu This may be different on IBMs and Vax systems.)

Article 3172 of alt.conspiracy.jfk: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part 20, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 17:51:05 GMT 1992Oct27.175105.20550@cbnewsl.cb.att.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Lines: 156

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) JIM MARRS: And in the case of the FBI, if you can control the distribution of the information and what information is released, then you control the whole investigation. In other words, there were honest FBI people who were going out, after the assassination, and doing honest investigative work, and filing honest reports. But these reports were thrown in with other reports of dubious authenticity; reports which can be demonstrated to be phony -- false. And then, from the very top, J. Edgar Hoover and his top echelon was able to reach into this smorgasbord of evidence and pull out, selectively, whatever case they wanted to present to the public.

GARY NULL: There is one other character whom you didn't mention, though I'm sure you're aware of, and that is: JFK had replaced Allen Dulles as the head of the CIA, and Allen Dulles ends up being one of the key people on the Warren Commission.

JIM MARRS: Exactly. Isn't that like putting the fox in charge of the henhouse?

GARY NULL: And there was no man in the history of the intelligence community, before or since, who's ever been as connected to everything within the intelligence apparatus -- and very much a hands-on person -- as Allen Dulles.

JIM MARRS: That's true. And let me point out that during the Warren Commission hearings, the allegation came up, just as it's still alive today, that Lee Harvey Oswald was a U.S. intelligence agent. His wife and his mother have both publicly stated that this was so. So they asked Allen Dulles while they were meeting with the Warren Commission -- they said: If he had been an agent with the CIA, and you were still the head of the CIA, would you admit it? And he said, "No." They said: You would lie about it? He said: Yes, I would. And so, that's kind of where we are. I would point out that this current committee in Congress that's debating whether or not to open up the files on the Kennedy Assassination ..... the very first item that they have listed that they would shield -- that they would keep files hidden on -- is to protect the identity of a U.S. agent. Well, that's kind of a catch-22. If Oswald was indeed a U.S. agent, then by the parameters set by the new Congressional committee, they can't release any information about it. Isn't that something?

GARY NULL: Okay. Well, in any case, we all know that anything the CIA is going to release is going to be COMPLETELY on their side. Any damaging files, they will have destroyed or not turned over.

JIM MARRS: You know, let's not forget, by the way, that [President] Gerald Ford, when he was on the committee, was virtually an informant for J. Edgar Hoover.

GARY NULL: I was not aware of that. Let's quickly go through the other inconsistencies and disinformation from Dealey Plaza.

JIM MARRS: Well, of course, there's just a plethora of information there. Beginning with the fact that the majority of people said that the shots came, not from the School Book Depository, but from down near the triple underpass, from behind the picket fence on the Grassy Knoll. There are even eyewitnesses such as Malcolm Summers and Jean Hill and Sam Holland and the railroad people who actually said they saw the flash of light, saw the figure under the trees, and saw smoke drift out from under the trees. And there's a point there too. For years, apologists for the Government have claimed: Well, there couldn't have been smoke because even if there had been somebody there with a high-power rifle, modern rifles do not smoke. Well, being the owner of several bolt-action rifles myself, I can assure you that if you have one that's freshly oiled, you'll get a nice white puff of smoke. And sure enough, in a film made by a newsman named Dave Wegman, we have a frame showing Kennedy's car, with the stricken President, just beginning to enter the triple underpass. And hanging in the air, coming right off the Grassy Knoll, is an obvious white puff of smoke. So these people were all telling the truth, and it's the Government that's lied all these years. We've got Beverly Oliver who was taking film from the south side of Elm Street, and she had her film taken by men who identified themselves as FBI agents. And there's a point there. In the hours following the assassination, and for several weeks, and in fact, all the way up into the summer of 1964 when the Warren Commission was already writing their report saying that Oswald was the lone assassin, the FBI was in Dallas, actively, in the newspaper and on the radio, asking people to turn in their films, their photographs, any pictures they had taken in Dealey Plaza; and, of course, ostensibly to investigate, to help solve the crime. The fact is that very few of those people ever got their pictures or their films back. And so, all these years I've had people saying: Well look, if there's a big conspiracy, where's the evidence? Well heck! They TOOK the evidence up. They just took it away.

So there was an ongoing, concerted effort to take up evidence and to hide anything that would point to the reality of what went on. And the witnesses, the majority of whom said that shots came from the Grassy Knoll, were discredited, were laughed at, and were ignored.

GARY NULL: Alright. Let's go through a few of the particulars here: the lack of Secret Service agents protecting the roofs, and the speed of the motorcade. Those are two primary issues that have not been properly addressed.

JIM MARRS: Okay. Number one: the security for the motorcade. A lot of people don't understand, Gary, that that motorcade that Kennedy was in in Dallas, where he met his death, that was the SECOND motorcade of that day. Earlier in the morning, Kennedy rode in a motorcade from downtown Fort Worth out to Carswell Air Force Base where he boarded Air Force One for the short hop over to Dallas. Now, having been a police reporter there in Fort Worth starting way back in the mid-60s, I came into contact with a lot of police and sheriff's people and everybody else who participated in that motorcade. And they said that security was especially tight, and that they had orders to keep people off of the overpasses and off of bridges that would overlook the motorcade route -- that they had armed men stationed on rooftops, looking for anything out of the ordinary. Most importantly, they had orders that there were to be no open windows facing the mototcade route. And, in fact, they had orders to go into buildings and close windows if they saw a window go up along the motorcade route.

NONE of this was done in Dallas. NONE OF IT ! (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.

John DiNardo

Article 17313 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!cbnewsk!att!linac!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!jad From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) Subject: Part 21, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy 1992Nov12.125856.14188@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia. Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:58:56 GMT Lines: 151

The following transcript was made from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) JIM MARRS [author of CROSSFIRE]: In fact, they used motorcycle officers, who were to flank Kennedy's car, who were given orders by the Secret Service not to proceed past the rear bumper. That left him hanging out there, unprotected. Dallas police Captain Fritz had requested of the Secret Service that he be allowed to ride a car or two back from the President with some of his sharpshooters and to watch the windows and watch for problems on the rooftops. He was told: No, you can ride at the rear of the motorcade. So, in disgust, he just went on to the trademart.

None of the normal precautions were taken that day. And, in fact, there were direct violations of Secret Service regulations, the most blatant of which was that the men who were actually in charge of protecting the President -- in direct violation of Secret Service regulations -- were out drinking until four and five in the morning over in Fort Worth. And they were not just drinking beer. They were drinking Everclear. This was a direct violation, punishable by dismissal from the Secret Service, and yet, all of this was hushed up and covered up.

The next big security breach was that Secret Service regulations stated that you would not make a turn greater than ninety degrees. And if you had to make a ninety degree turn, you'd station security people at the intersection. Well, the one hundred and twenty degree turn in front of the Texas School Book Depository was a direct violation. And no security people were stationed there. Only one policeman, Joe Smith, was stationed there. And what was his experience? He said that he heard shots down near the triple underpass by the little concrete monument, ran down there, and could still smell gunpowder hanging in the bushes. So you could see that there was something really wrong going on with the motorcade.

GARY NULL: So Secret Service elements would have to have been involved. Isn't it also true that the right-flanking motorcycle cop leaves the motorcade when everyone turns onto Elm Street, and that cop continues straight down Houston Street?

JIM MARRS: Well, that is true, but I think I have an explanation for that. In one of Mary Moorman's five Polaroid snapshots, we see a picture of this motorcycle officer, by himself, rushing down Elm Street. I think what happened there was kind of a normal police motorcade procedure, like in a funeral or something. One runs up ahead, checks the intersection and holds traffic while everybody goes through -- and then he races ahead -- leap-frogs up ahead. I think that this motorcycle officer simply roared up Houston Street a little ways to make sure that everything was secured and that nobody was coming through there; and then he turned around, rode back and rejoined his companions further down in the plaza. I don't necessarily see anything suspicious in that one particular incident.

GARY NULL: Jim, what you're telling us is very new and very important for this audience. And that is that there were extraordinarily tight and professional safety precautions earlier that same day in Fort Worth, and all of that was undone. All of that was dismissed in Dallas. That is completely atypical, and that is something that the media should have picked up on. That story ALONE would have been enough, if I were the city editor, for me to send out a reporter -- to say: Hold on a second. Dallas and Fort Worth are side-by-side. They're only about thirty miles apart. You have, in one case, tight, complete, total security. And in another case you have no security ?

JIM MARRS: That's true. Well let me tell you something -- then and now. First off ..... Well, I don't want to use any names, but a good friend of mine, a peer, who was a news reporter at that time, and who knew Dallas quite familiarly .....and that was part of the problem: all the news media poured into Dallas, but they didn't really know Dallas. They didn't know how to get around. They didn't know how to talk to the people. But this fellow did. And he was beginning to kind of investigate on his own because he smelled a rat. Okay? And he became convinced that his phone was tapped, and that people were following him around. He had a wife and a family, and he just told me, quite frankly, that it scared him, and he backed off. Now that was back at the time [soon after the assassination]. Today, just two years ago, a senior editor for one of the Dallas-Fort Worth major dailies told me -- he said: "Jim, I know you're right, but I can't print the truth because it could mean my life." Okay? And the guy was dead-serious.

Now I, for one, do not believe for a minute that some hit-team is going to come to Dallas-Fort Worth and kill some newspaper editor just because of some story he runs in the newspaper. The point is, this fellow does. This fellow really believes it. So we've got absolute fear still being used as a very, very powerful weapon down here to keep people who should know otherwise ..... to keep them silent.

JERRY POLICOFF: Can I interject something here? You know, when you're talking about security in Dallas, of all of the places where there should have been a greater measure of security than anywhere else, it should have been Dallas where [liberal Democrat who ran against Eisenhower in '56] Adlai Stevenson had been attacked and spat on by a crowd. Lyndon Johnson had been [too]. There were legitimate reasons to be concerned about the safety of the President in Dallas, of all places.

GARY NULL: Alright. We're going to take a break here to summarize everything. Then I want to go into the means, the motives and the opportunities to assassinate the President, and try to give as much new information as possible, and at that time, also bring in what the media has done or not done. I even want to get to the information that was NOT reviewed, or not given credibility by the investigators. In particular, when one good investigator was doing a good job, he was fired, and a person who supported the "single gunman theory" was brought in to take his place. So, at every level, damage control was maintained. The only way that could have been done is for people who were in a position to control it from the very first day knew that no matter how long it took -- no matter who came into the picture, no one in the major media, or in any Governmental agency was going to uncover anything that would be that damaging. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.

John DiNardo

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ If we seriously listen to this "God within us" ["conscience", if you will], we usually find ourselves being urged to take the more difficult path, the path of more effort rather than less. .... Each and every one of us, more or less frequently, will hold back from this work. .... Like every one of our ancestors before us, we are all lazy. So original sin does exist; it is our laziness.

M. Scott Peck THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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Article 17406 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) Subject: Part 22, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy 1992Nov16.161704.18600@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia. Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:17:04 GMT Lines: 156

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) GARY NULL: My guests today are Jerry Policoff and Jim Marrs. We're going to come back to them in just a few moments. Jerry and Jim, we're going to take a ten-minute break because this week, and I believe next week, WBAI, this non-commercial station which is part of the Pacifica Radio Network, is in the midst of its fund-raising, and we use this opportunity three times a year to raise funds so that this station can continue.

Right now, we're doing our special report on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. It will continue until we've laid out all of the evidence that we have; each day another new piece of it. Now, let's go back to our main program.

We're talking about the John Kennedy Assassination. On our conference phone right now -- and I appreciate their patience for standing by -- is Dr. Cyril Wecht, and also talking to us on another conference phone is David Lifton. Dr. Wecht, you've been listening patiently, and I thank you very much for your patience. Would you be kind enough to share with us your concern about the Warren Commission's findings and what you feel is the weak link in that evidence, and what you would propose we should be paying some attention to?

CYRIL WECHT: Yes. Mr. Null, I'll just be able to make a brief statement because the time has run out for me at my end. I'm sorry. I would have enjoyed talking to you more. My concerns about the Warren Commission Report have been a matter of record. They're now going back some twenty-seven years. I believe I'm the only non-Government-affiliated forensic pathologist to have testified three times under oath in this matter before Federal District Court Judge Charles Hallock[sp] Jr. in Washington, D.C. in 1969, as a prelude to the Clay Shaw Trial in New Orleans, and before the Rockefeller Commission in 1975 .....

..... [side A of tape ended]

.... CIA clearance. Any staff member who was reviewing CIA documents, before he could leave, had to submit notes to the CIA for review. And basically, the course of the investigation changed. And all of a sudden the main suspect was Organized Crime. To put a historical context on this, only slightly before the House Assassinations Committee began its work, the [Sen. Frank] Church Committee had ended its work. And, although they didn't review whether or not there was a conspiracy, they did review the work of the FBI and the CIA in terms of their initial investigations of the assassination. And the result was a blistering indictment of their investigations; in fact, their non-investigations. The Church Committee made it very clear that J. Edgar Hoover had decided, immediately after the assassination, that Lee Harvey Oswald was the assassin. As the main investigative arm of the Warren Commission, that certiainly put handcuffs on the Warren Commission.

The CIA was guilty of obfuscation at every turn, in terms of whether Oswald was a CIA agent, had ever worked for the CIA, his connections or his activities in Mexico City; in fact, whether that even was Lee Harvey Oswald in Mexio City, which is doubtful; his connections with Guy Bannister and various anti-Castro groups in New Orleans. All of that was TOTALLY obfuscated by the CIA. So, with that in its historical context, you have to really look at the FBI and the CIA as clearly, at least, suspects when you're investigating the Assassination. That was never done by [Chief Counsel] Blakey! Members of the staff [of the House Select Committee on Assassinations] who weren't cleared by the CIA were fired. Frankly, even at one point it was discovered that the autopsy photos and X-rays, which were in the files of the House Committee ..... somebody had broken into the room in which the autopsy photos and X-rays were kept, and had hurriedly made an examination of them, ripping some file folders in the process. A fingerprint examination revealed that the person who had broken in was the CIA liaison between the Committee and the CIA. That person was fired, but it didn't seem to have, in any way, raised any questions with Blakey in terms of the role of the CIA.

GARY NULL: Isn't that a federal offense: breaking and entering, and tampering with information?

CYRIL WECHT: I would certainly think so.

GARY NULL: To my knowledge, no one from the CIA has EVER actually been put on trial for ANY crimes. Have they?

CYRIL WECHT: No. Never.

GARY NULL: So what we have is an agency that was repeatedly spying on its own citizens, interfering in special investigations -- and yet no one was calling the CIA to account. And, as a result, to this day, the CIA is still being able to do virtually anything that it wants.

CYRIL WECHT: Yes. And, as a matter of fact, one of the Committee staffers told me that, back at the time that the Committee was investigating, one of the staffers basically put some hard questions to Blakey, in terms of his acceptance of anything that the CIA told him. He said, and this is a quote: "You don't think they would lie to me, do you? I've been working with these people for twenty years." That really puts into perspective where Blakey was coming from.

GARY NULL: Alright. Le's go to a few other issues here. Let's take a look at the NBC documentary on Jim Garrison.

CYRIL WECHT: Okay. I have to preface this by saying that I really think that there were a lot of things wrong with the Garrison Investigation, but it's really clear, from the outset, that the Government was VERY concerned about what was going on in New Orleans and about what was going to come out. We know that one of the things that the House Committee found, but didn't publish -- thanks to Mr. Blakey -- was that the CIA infiltrated eleven of its agents into Garrison's investigation. We know that the Justice Department was spoon-feeding information to Clay Shaw's lawyers.

>From the beginning, the media, rather than taking an arms-length view and holding back to see what Garrison had .... the media was, almost from the beginning, almost prosecutorial in terms of the way they went after Garrison. NBC ran a one-hour documentary during prime-time. It was produced by Walter Sheridan, who had never been a journalist all of his life. He had been a private investigator. He had worked for the Kennedy family. We don't really know what his agenda was here, but he certainly was not a reporter. He was accused of bribing witnesses. The documentary, from beginning to end, was an incredible indictment of Garrison. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.

John DiNardo

If you would like to hear Gary Null's program, broadcast by satellite from WBAI to a radio station in your locale, you can help to make it happen by calling 1(800) USA-1963.

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Article 17461 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!att-out!pacbell.com!ames!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!jad From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) Subject: Part 23, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy 1992Nov17.223139.4440@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia. Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:31:39 GMT Lines: 143

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) CYRIL WECHT: Just to put in context what they did, Garrison went to the F.C.C. to request equal time, and never before or since has the F.C.C. made a judgment like the one they made in this case. They ruled that the NBC documentary was so dishonest and so flawed that they ordered NBC to give Garrison a half-hour of prime time to respond to it. I think that says something in terms of where that NBC documentary was coming from.

GARY NULL: And Garrison did respond to it?

CYRIL WECHT: He did respond to it in prime time. Yes.

GARY NULL: We must state here that Walter Sheridan, since he's not here to defend himself .... any allegations of any misdeeds or misconduct are just that: allegations. Since he was never proved to have done any of those things, we must keep that in this perspective. Now let's go to the idea of the NBC documentary on the JFK assassination and the FBI.

CYRIL WECHT: Okay. When the Warren Commission Report was issued, NBC ran a one-hour documentary in prime time, just prior to the release of the Warren Report, that basically was a summary of what the Warren Commission was going to find. An internal FBI document, that was generated a week prior to that documentary, reviewed in chapter and verse what the NBC documentary was going to show, and also it included in it assurances from unnamed sources at NBC that nothing in the documentary would criticize the work of the FBI or the findings of the initial FBI report that had preceded the findings of the Warren Commission. Clearly, the FBI had an open pipeline into NBC and it knew exactly what NBC was doing. And clearly, there was a pipeline back that was assuring the FBI that there wouldn't be any agenda that the FBI would have a problem with.

GARY NULL: Alright. The Washington Post and editor Ben Bradlee?

CYRIL WECHT: Okay. Ben Bradlee .... I have a letter from the then-book-review editor of the Washington Post in which he informed me that Ben Bradlee had ordered him not to review any books about the Kennedy Assassination. A rather interesting incident took place after the demise of the House Assassinations Committee. One of the things that the House Assassinations Committee had investigated was a report that Lee Harvey Oswald had ben seen in the company of a gentleman by the name of Maurice Bishop, who was said by sources to be a high-ranking official in the Central Intelligence Agency. The members of the staff of the House Assassinations Committee became convinced that Maurice Bishop was David Atlee Phillips, who had also been a major high-ranking official of the Central Intelligence Agency. He had been in Mexico City. He later resigned from the Agency to form a support group for the CIA when the CIA was coming under a great deal of criticism. David [shouldn't it be Anthony?] Summers[sp] wrote extensively about the Phillips/Maurice Bishop connection in his book, CONSPIRACY. And he managed to get an audience with Ben Bradlee. He suggested to Ben Bradlee that this was an area that was ripe for investigation.

Bradlee subsequently assigned a reporter to the story. The reporter was in touch with Summers. He was also in touch with Gaeton Fonzi who had been an investigator for the House Committee [on Assassinations]. Prior to that, he had been an investigator for the [Sen. Frank] Church Committee [on Assassinations], and he was the investigator who had originally come up with the Maurice Bishop story. The reporter told both Summers and Gaeton Fonzi that when Bradlee assigned him to the story, he told him to discredit the story. Those were his marching orders. Far from discrediting the story, as this reporter got into it, he developed more information that tended to support the conclusion that Phillips and Maurice Bishop were the same person. That is basically the gist of the story that he submitted. The story was killed!

And that's really in line with what the Washington Post has done from the beginning. The Washington Post, The New York Times, TIME Inc. have been obsessed with discrediting the stories of conspiracy, and with shoring up the official Government findings.

GARY NULL: Then you would have to ask: Why? Is it a matter of coincidence? Is it a matter of editorial opinion that may be completely innocent of any complicity or malfeasance, or is there some connection from the New York Times, NBC, CBS, The Washington Post, TIME Magazine that would have connections to any of the major people who are under criticism now for having participated; such as some of the major CIA officers, some of the high-ranking people from within the military/industrial complex, right-wing extemists, etc. Are there any connections?

CYRIL WECHT: That's where I get into difficulty. I mean, I don't really like to speculate about why I think it's dangerous. I think you can only point to what was done. Questions have to be raised. I mean, you'd have to ask why the media has done what it has done; why these things seem to come from the upper levels of the newspapers, networks, magazines involved.

GARY NULL: Because remember, it's the same Washington Post that allowed [Bob] Woodward and [Carl] Bernstein to expose Watergate, which brought down Nixon in the White House and a lot of Ivy League people.

JIM MARRS: Gary, could I jump in and make a comment?

GARY NULL: Yes. Jim Marrs, jump in, please. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.

John DiNardo

M. Scott Peck THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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Article 17664 of alt.conspiracy: Path: cbnewsl!cbnewsk!att!linac!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!caen!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!jad From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Subject: Part 24, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Keywords: researchers'revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy 1992Nov30.205913.8043@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Date: 30 Nov 92 20:59:13 GMT Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host Lines: 156

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) JIM MARRS: You're right. And it seems pretty incomprehensible that the same media outlets that would basically cause the destruction of Nixon would try to cover up about Kennedy, but I think there is some rationale there. First off, to explain why they do this, you go back to the time of the assassination -- and I think Jerry Policoff would agree with me on this. This was a whole entirely different time and place: this country. Okay? A lot of people within the media actively, voluntarily participated and did things for the intelligence community out of the noblest of purposes. They felt like they were being patriotic. If they went to Russia, say, and did a story and they came back, and the CIA domestic contact services officer would come to them and say: "Well, what did you see?" They would tell them what they saw. They weren't spies. They weren't working for the Government. They weren't on the payroll. They were simply doing what they thought was patriotic.

Now, at the time of the Kennedy Assassination and for maybe ten years past then, until about the time of the Garrison investigation, they were still clinging to this idea. They felt like they were doing something good. Now, I think a lot of them can probably look back and realize that they were being used by these people within the intelligence community, not only to get information, but also to give information. It just goes right up the ladder. We've got people today who are successful columnists, and they're successful columnists because they always seem to have a little bit of insight into issues and into Governmental matters. Well they do because they get this from their sources within the CIA and within other Government agencies. They know that if they say anything that angers those sources, those sources will close themselves off to them. And then, pretty soon they won't be able to have anything to put in their columns, and pretty soon their columns will be dropped by the newspapers around the country. So it's a very self-serving thing. It's a self-preservation-type thing.

And then you keep going until you get to what I think is probably the major downfall and the major problem within the media today, which is just sheer, common laziness. The Kennedy Assassination is a complex subject. It has many labyrinths that you can get lost into. And it takes a lot of time and a lot of effort. And most media people and most editors are simply not willing to devote the time and the effort that it would take to pick their way through this mine field and find out what's right and what's not right.

JERRY POLICOFF: I would agree with that. And I would also add that I think they were embarrassed by their early coverage. It's very difficult to look at the work that the media did in the aftermath of the assassination, which, by the way, was something that, in that day, was very natural. They were spoon-fed the Oswald legend. They were spoon-fed the evidence. Everything was accepted uncritically and passed on to the American Public. In the years since, I think the media is very embarrassed to look back at the coverage that they afforded this issue back in 1963, and they are basically too embarrassed to repudiate it.

GARY NULL: Jerry, let me ask you about a very important character in all this. And that is L. Fletcher Prouty. And that, I believe also, Jim, was the character that Donald Sutherland played in the movie, JFK: the insider who knew all about what was going on, and who explained it to Jim Garrison in the movie.

JIM MARRS: Yeah. That's correct. I believe that primarily the Mr. X character in the movie, JFK was based on colonel L. Fletcher Prouty.

GARY NULL: Okay. I'd like each of your interpretations of what Prouty has said and what he knows. At least you can tell our audience.

JERRY POLICOFF: Well, Fletcher Prouty is certainly somebody who needs to be taken seriously. I believe he was the liaison officer between the Pentagon and the CIA. He was certainly in a position to know a great deal about the inner workings of the intelligence community during the 1950s and '60s. He has reported on the breakdown of security. I'm not an expert on this, but I believe that security was passed on to military intelligence that day in Dallas. Am I right, Jim?

JIM MARRS: Well, the Fourth Army Intelligence normally had agents who would join in and, on that particular occasion, they were told to stand down, and not to come to Dallas and not to participate in the security. And this is probably very significant because one of the things that Colonel Prouty has said -- and the more I look at it, the more I think he's exactly right -- that the key to a successful coup is not necessarily finding competent hit-men. I mean, anybody with a lot of money can go find a competent hit-man. The key is in withdrawing or reducing the normal security. And it seems obvious that that's what happened in Dallas that day.

GARY NULL: Alright. Jim, go on a little further with Prouty. What else does he know?

JIM MARRS: Well, as Jerry pointed out, he was the Deputy Director of Special Operations, and as such, he was a liaison between the CIA and the military. In other words, if the CIA was mounting some sort of operation and they needed support -- if they needed trucks, or if they needed an airplane, or if they needed air transport, or if they needed weaponry or something like that, they would go to the military and say: "This is what we need." And Prouty was the focal point officer who would do this.

Now here's what was unique about his position. Since he was military, and not CIA, he was never required to sign the secrecy oath that all people who work for the CIA have to sign. And the secrecy oath -- the bottom line of it is that: If I reveal anything that I learn while working for the CIA, you can suspend my civil liberties, convict me in a court of law, and put me away for ever and ever. This is the basis of why so many people within the CIA cannot and will not talk and tell about what they know. But Prouty never signed that because he was a military man, and as such, he has been free to talk. And talk he has. All the way back to the publication of his book, THE SECRET TEAM, he has been saying that there is a power group -- a clique, if you will -- of people within the United States Government who operate this Government for their own purposes. I think that the Iran-Contra [operation] has proved this to be absolutely true, right on up 'til today. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.

John DiNardo

M. Scott Peck THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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Article 17738 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,alt.individualism Path: cbnewsl!cbnewsk!att!linac!uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!gatech!concert!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!jad From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) Subject: Part 25, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy 1992Dec2.173503.13186@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1992 17:35:03 GMT Lines: 150

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) JIM MARRS: Which makes it all the more interesting that the day AFTER the assassination, in a memo from [FBI Director] J. Edgar Hoover, we are given a complete assessment of the reaction to the assassination by the anti-Castro Cuban community, and it says at the bottom that this information was furnished orally by Mr. George Bush of the CIA. Well now, Bush has never responded to this, but some of his people have said: "Well, that was a different George Bush; that there is another George Bush and he's not the one who is now our president." However, since then, the other George Bush has been located and interviewed, and he says: "I was just a low-level analyst up in the northeast and I never had any contact with the anti-Castro Cubans, so it certainly was not me."

[JD: The CIA has a strict policy of concealing the names of all of its agents, even if it means committing perjury to do so. So, how did Bush's people find out that there is another George Bush who worked for the CIA? They found out because CIA officials violated their own laws by searching their own personnel files to luckily come up with another George Bush to pin the rap on in order to protect the real criminal who knew of the plot to assassinate President Kennedy and who, therefore, is an accessory to murder and high treason: George Herbert Walker Bush, of course.]

So, that brings us back to George Herbert Walker Bush. And I might mention that I have personally spoken with a pilot who flew arms and ammunition for the Bay of Pigs invaders, and he says that one of the oil companies that was being used as a front to move arms and materiel for the Bay of Pigs invaders was Zapata Oil Company out of Midland, Texas, which was George Herbert Walker Bush. So, I think we see that George Herbert Walker Bush's connections with the Central Intelligence Agency go back far beyond what he has publicly admitted.

[JD: I have corresponded with someone who told me that another company which participated in the Bay of Pigs Invasion was United Fruit Company which donated two of its banana boats to support the invasion. This person said that he witnessed the repair of the bullet-riddled deck of one of the boats.]

JERRY POLICOFF: We also know that he generated dozens of memos, while he was the head of the Central Intelligence Agency, dealing with the assassination. And yet, he made a statement after the release of the movie, "JFK" that he was so satisfied with the findings of the Warren Commission that when he became Director of the CIA, he was never even curious and never looked at a single file.

JIM MARRS: That's right. So, read his lips. He's telling us another lie.

GARY NULL: Are either of you gentlemen familiar with the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission?

JIM MARRS: Yes. I'm very familiar with them.

GARY NULL: Are you familiar with all the different people from the networks, the media and the major corporations [who are members]?

JIM MARRS: Yes. They comprise a very, very substantial number of people on the Trilateral Commission, which is, by the way, just kind of an off-growth or a revised edition of the old Council on Foreign Relations, which was more-or-less a secret group, and hence, was coming under more and more scrutiny. So, in order to get away from that, they founded the Trilateral Commission, for which they set up an office, they issue reports, and they're a little more above-ground.

GARY NULL: That is a [David] Rockefeller group, right?

JIM MARRS: Right. And George Bush was, and perhaps still is, a member of the Trilateral Commission.

GARY NULL: There have consistently been allegations that this group is the group that has as its agenda this "One World Order". Even though that's no longer a secret -- and I think that the President and the media around him have used that to their advantage to talk about this "One World Order" -- WHOSE order is it? Whose world? By what design and what ideals are they planning it? And who are THEY? Then you start seeing that the "they", at every level, are the people who, coincidentally, happen to belong to this Trilateral Commission and this Council on Foreign Relations.

In any case, I'm going to thank you very much, Jerry Policoff for an outstanding series of investigative reports. I think that, in some ways, the history of your own writing (because I read every one of your articles in GALLERY Magazine) ..... You should have had that published in a major magazine. But I'm sure that they would have rejected it, just as, for over two years, my first articles on the politics of cancer were rejected. And too, my subsequent "Medical Genocide" series, which to this day, I've never had to retract a single line. And there wasn't any person in that series who ever even threatened a lawsuit or a challenge that my information was inaccurate. And I REALLY rip up some major individuals and corporations for corruption and crimes of which I call "medical genocide". In forty-three articles over sixteen years, the only publications that would accept them, ironically, were OMNI and PENTHOUSE, not the best vehicle for mainstream America, but the only one that was available. So, I think that tells us that when you have something that seems to be too hot or too politically explosive, we don't have a forum for it to be taken seriously. And, of course, the easiest way for someone to dismiss something is to say: Did it appear on the major networks? No. Did it appear in TIME Magazine or in the New York Times? No. Then how can we take it seriously?

JIM MARRS: Exactly! That is part of the control of the media. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please help to disseminate it by posting it to other bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.

John DiNardo

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Article 17829 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!cbnewsk!att!linac!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!jad From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) Subject: Part 26, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy 1992Dec4.232418.2064@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992 23:24:18 GMT Lines: 120

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) JIM MARRS: By the way, I want to extend my compliments to Jerry Policoff. Jerry, I have read your articles for years and years and years, and I have used them very extensively in my research. My compliments to you, sir.

JERRY POLICOFF: Thank you.

GARY NULL: Gentlemen, you're going to find out something brand new about the Kennedy Assassination. Next week, and on that show -- because you've both made substantial contributions of new information recently -- I will have you conferenced in to listen to the new information. And it's going to shake people up when they hear this information, never before discussed or written about. No one has found out about it. That is coming up. And I think it will put a cap on this whole thing. Whether anything is ever done about it -- who knows.

It's an amazing thing. You write a story. You research. You think it's really revolutionary. It will give new insights which should conduct new investigations. And then it comes, and the media doesn't do a thing. And it all goes by the bye. But we're going to do it in any case.

By the way, I was just handed a note by our producer who has been working non-stop. I mean, he's putting in like 100-hour weeks on this [investigation]. He is Kevin McCrary, and he says that L. Fletcher Prouty is going to appear on our program later this week. So, he'll be able to tell us, in his own words, what he knows and what new information he knows, and new information which he has not revealed before.

And I'm going to ask you, Jim Marrs if you'll make yourself available tomorrow, because we did not get to part two, which was the means, the motives and the opportunities .....

JIM MARRS: Okay. Can I make one quick comment about the Garrison thing. At the time that the Garrison investigation and trial of Clay Shaw was going on, I was watching it very, very closely as a newsman. I was trying to be objective and I was trying to really look at it and see what was happening. And, of course, he said: "I've got a conspiracy by the tail. I've got individuals here. I'm filing charges on them. I'm taking them before a grand jury." In other words, he was taking them through the normal processes of law. Well, the national media elements within there, and even the Attorney General of the United States, were saying: "This guy is a nut. He's a fantacist. There's nothing there. He hasn't got a case." And, quite frankly, I didn't know who to believe. Today, you've got twenty years of hindsight, and you look back and you can see that MOST of what Jim Garrison ..... and I'm like Jerry Policoff. I do not want to just blanketly defend Garrison, because there were a lot of problems with his prosecution in New Orleans, not all of which was his own doing. But, you look back after twenty years of hindsight and we find that most of what he was telling us: Guy Bannister, David Ferrie, the connection to Oswald, the anti-Castro Cubans and the plotting that was going on in New Orleans in the summer of 1963 -- all of that has held up. It's historical fact. Even the House Select Committee on Assassinations was forced to conclude that most of that was substantiated. So now we KNOW who was telling the truth and who was lying.

GARY NULL: Well, in point of fact, the judge and the jury said that when Clay Shaw won his case and Garrison was, in effect, put into the closet forever after that, and told to shut up, and the media did a hatchet-job on him, he didn't know that eleven members of his own staff were CIA plants.

JIM MARRS: That's right.

GARY NULL: He didn't know that Clay Shaw's counsel had every note, everything that they [Garrison] needed. And also, Clay Shaw lied. The man perjured himself. And he did so with the help of his CIA contacts, because later it did come out that Clay Shaw did, in FACT, work for the CIA. That is a matter of historical FACT. And the jury said that they would have convicted him had they known that. So...

JIM MARRS: That's right. Also, he lied when he said that the did not know David Ferrie and had had no contact with him, because there is now, circulating among the research community, photographs of Clay Shaw and David Ferrie together at a party in New Orleans.

GARY NULL: Yes. So, clearly, Garrison was right. The media was wrong. The Government participated in the massive cover-up at that level, and one very courageous prosecuting attorney was, unfortunately, disgraced at the time. And the American Public should know that. The man whom he brought to trial was a LIAR and was complicitous in much of the plot, and the Government knew it AT the time. And so, we have to be aware of this.

I want to thank you very much, Jerry Policoff and Jim Marrs, for being with us. This has been a continuation of our series, Hidden Agendas: Conspiracies, Cover-ups and Lies. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.

John DiNardo

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Article 17974 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.censorship,misc.headlines,misc.activism.progressive,alt.individualism Path: cbnewsl!cbnewsk!att!linac!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!destroyer!gumby!wupost!mont!pencil.cs.missouri.edu!rich From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) Subject: Part 27, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy 1992Dec8.212508.3461@mont.cs.missouri.edu Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Sender: news@mont.cs.missouri.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pencil.cs.missouri.edu Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 21:25:08 GMT Approved: map@pencil.cs.missouri.edu Lines: 145

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) JIM MARRS: .... intelligence organizations certainly did participate, and, as a result, the organization was forced to protect itself by helping to cover-up the crime. But, of course, it goes a little deeper than that because most of the people within those organizations felt that what happened, tragic though it was, was probably necessary for the good of the country because Kennedy was going in the face of much of their own beliefs and their own philosophies.

JIM MARRS: Now, in the case of the FBI, there is no evidence to point to the [possible] fact that the FBI orchestrated or initiated the assassination. But there is all kinds of evidence to point to the fact that the FBI knew what was happening. Particularly, I refer to the FBI memo or alert -- the teletype alert that went out on the night before the assassination, warning that a radical group was going to assassinate Kennedy in Dallas. Those messages were subsequently picked up, and if it hadn't been for one clerk who had made a copy of them, we wouldn't have even a copy today, and they could effectively deny that it ever happened. But it did go out. So, the FBI, and particularly [FBI director J. Edgar] Hoover, I believe, was in knowledge of what was going to happen. And they simply sat back, allowed nature to take its course, and then definitely participated in activities after-the-fact which tended, not just to protect their own reputation, but to actually incriminate Oswald as the lone assassin, and create this whole story that we have today that is the official Government explanation. And the way they did that was in several ways.

First off, there was an ongoing, demonstrable series of events which include destruction of evidence, suppression of evidence, alteration of evidence, fabrication of evidence and intimidation of witnesses. Throughout your series you've heard more and more about how documents were cooked, that people were intimidated into silence, and that people's testimony was changed. I'll cite you one good example: Edna and Wayne Hartman. This is a Dallas couple. They still live in Dallas today. They heard shots. They were nearby Dealey Plaza. When they heard the shots, they ran into Dealey Plaza. They saw a policeman and some plainclothesmen gathered on the south side of Elm Street. They ran down there and said: "What's going on?" They said: "Here is where some bullets hit in the grass." They looked, and they said that there was a long bullet furrow in the grass where a bullet had turned up the sod. In the FBI report, made that day, it states all of this, and it goes on to say that they told the FBI that the bullet furrow lined up with the Texas School Book Depository. Okay? Oswald, in the Depository, missed a shot. Furrow in the ground. That all makes sense. The problem is that that is NOT what they [the Hartmans] told them. When I was preparing my book, CROSSFIRE, instead of just taking the Government's documents at face value, which seems to be the way to do it today (at least that's what the major news organizations are doing), I called the Hartmans. And they were absolutely SHOCKED and amazed when I read them this FBI report which, keep in mind, was part of the fundamental, raw investigative material that the Warren Commission used to reach their conclusions. Because THEY [the Hartmans] said: "That's not what we told them at all. We told them that the bullet furrow lined up with the GRASSY KNOLL on the north side of Elm Street." So here we have a clear example of FBI documents that were being cooked, back in 1963 and '64, to slant away from the truth of the assassination.

And lastly, Gary, I'll just make this one point. When you interfere with a lawful investigation of felony crimes, such as murder, that makes you an accessory-after-the-fact. And under the law, an accessory-after-the-fact is just as guilty of the crime as the person[s] who pulled the trigger[s]. So, in this case, the evidence is very clear. And I can say, with great impunity, that the FBI was GUILTY of being an accessory-after-the-fact and, therefore, is guilty of the crime of participating in the murder of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

GARY NULL: Okay, let's go on to include in this ..... [tape interruption] ..... [FBI director J. Edgar Hoover] used the FBI to break the law, in the case of Martin Luther King, with illegal wiretaps to learn about his sex life so they could use it against him. This was a man who was in Dallas. Let's be very clear on this. The American Public is not aware of this. He was in Dallas on the day of the assassination. Let's also ask the following ... and give me very clear information on this, if you can:

"Division Five of the FBI: Nomenclature of the Assassination Cable"

JIM MARRS: Well that's "the Torbit Document." Right?

GARY NULL: Yes. "Division Five of the FBI."

JIM MARRS: It talks about Division Five. There was a Division Five. It was counter-intelligence. But I think what you're getting at is the allegations. And I'll have to stress, Gary, that at this point -- I have dug into this at considerable length -- and while I have found tantalizing evidence that perhaps this is so, I cannot categorically state, at this point, that this has been proven. But the allegations are that within Division Five of the FBI was the capability of assassination -- that they had hit-men on their payroll, operating out of their Mexico City office, which, by the way, has always intrigued me because the FBI is supposed to be a domestic law enforcement and intelligence organization. It is not supposed to be operating outside of the United States. And yet, ever since before World War Two, the largest FBI office in the world is in Mexico City. So we definitely have some things going on there. And the allegation is that they had these hit-men who operated out of Mexico City. This has come forth in several cases, particularly here in Texas, such as the Buddy Floyd murder case, where the allegation was that these hit-men out of the FBI's Mexico City office were being brought into this country to perform assassinations for wealthy and powerful people who were very close to J. Edgar Hoover.

GARY NULL: Okay. Those are allegations, not proven facts. We want to make that clear for the sake of objectivity. But we do want to state that it is a fact that Division Five did exist.

JIM MARRS: That's true. And it was headed by William Sullivan who -- in 1977, when he was about to be called before the House Select Committee on Assassinations -- walked out in his back yark and was shot in the head by the son of a New Hampshire State patrolman. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

John DiNardo

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Article 18245 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.censorship,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,misc.activism.progressive Path: cbnewsl!cbnewsk!att!linac!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ukma!mont!pencil.cs.missouri.edu!rich From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) Subject: Part 28, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy 1992Dec14.191408.8449@mont.cs.missouri.edu Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Sender: news@mont.cs.missouri.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pencil.cs.missouri.edu Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:14:08 GMT Approved: map@pencil.cs.missouri.edu Lines: 139

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) JIM MARRS: And the local sheriff said that he knew both the son of the patrolman and Sullivan, so he felt like he was too close to the case. So he turned over the investigation of this particular incident to the local game warden. I've seen a copy of the report, and it's simply checked where it says: "Victim: Animal or Human." They checked "Human". And that was about the extent of the investigation.

GARY NULL: Now, keep in mind that Sullivan was one of the former top heads of the FBI. In fact, outside of Hoover, he was probably the second most powerful member of the FBI.

JIM MARRS: That's true. And he has stated some things that are very eye-opening. One of the reasons why he left the FBI is because he said that Hoover was concentrating more on inflated statistics and figures about the American Communist Party than he did on Organized Crime.

GARY NULL: By the way, let's also remember this. It's up to the Public to decide whether they feel that this is coincidence or not: William Sullivan, Louis Nichols, Alan H. Belmont, James Caddigan, J.N. English, and Donald Kaylor[sp] ALL understood what was going on, or had information concerning the Kennedy Assassination. ALL died under mysterious circumstances in 1977.

JIM MARRS: That's true. All within a period of a few months, and all BEFORE they could be [were about to be] brought to testify before the House Select Committee on Assassinations.

GARY NULL: And I think it stretches credulity to assume that all of these men from one organization -- all of whom were going to testify -- would all die accidentally in the ways that they did: one man being shot in his backyard in a suburban home; and the man who shot him said he thought that [Sullivan] was a deer. I mean, come on. Give us a break. Now the New York Times CERTAINLY would accept that logic and rationale, and we understand how the New York Times would accept that. And Dan Rather may accept that a man in his backyard looks like a deer. We don't!

[JD: I've heard of a book (it might be "BETRAYAL") that states that Walter Cronkite and perhaps Dan Rather (I'm not sure) are among the people whom the CIA employs as journalistic "assets." Can anyone cite and quote such published accusations and their sources?]

And we're offended by this kind of explanation that has gone on, and has NEVER been explored by the mass media in any major way. It's just been ACCEPTED that way.

Now, let's go to the case of Richard Case Nagle and the registered letter to J. Edgar Hoover about the assassination.

JIM MARRS: Yes. Richard Case Nagle may be the real Rosetta stone to understanding the assassination or, if not to understanding the assassination, certainly to understanding the role of Lee Harvey Oswald in this whole thing. Basically, Nagle was a decorated Korean War veteran who late became an agent for the Central Intelligence Agency, and eventually claimed to have ended up being a double-agent working for the Soviet KGB. He said that in mid-1963, his KGB superiors contacted him and said that they had become aware of a plot to kill President Kennedy, and that they wanted him to work his way in there, find out what was going on, and put a stop to it because it could reflect very adversely on Russia and could make it look like the Communists were behind the thing. And they didn't want to run that kind of risk.

So, he was sent to New Orleans where he made contact with a man whom he claimed he had known from U.S. intelligence over in Japan. And that was Lee Harvey Oswald! They met in Jackson Square. And, of course, here's Nagle posing as a KGB agent, so he can't very well just say: "Hey, I'm really one of you," because he knows that Oswald is a guy whom he had know in Japan, but he hadn't known him that well. And besides, who knows what had gone on in the intervening years? So I'm sure he was probably still trying to maintain his cover. But he basically told Oswald that Oswald was in a very dangerous situation, and that he thought that Oswald thought he had penetrated a pro-Castro plot to kill the President. But, in reality, he was mixed up with anti-Castro Cubans who were posing as pro-Castro Cubans, and who were involving him in this plot to kill the President. He said that he got a very negative reaction from Oswald; kind of like: Oh, yeah? That's interesting; and a don't-call-me-I'll-call-you type of attitude.

Now, what's interesting here is that this gets into the whole issue of: Was the Oswald in New Orleans and the Oswald in Dallas -- was this the real Lee Harvey Oswald? And it gets into a bizarre series of situations. But there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the Oswald in New Orleans in the summer of '63 and in Dallas later that fall was NOT the same Oswald who entered the Marines. And if that's the CASE -- assuming that that may be true -- this explains the whole situation with Nagle and Oswald.

Nagle is very circuitously trying to warn Oswald, believing that this is the same guy he knew in Japan, and that he would recognize him and realize that he was getting the information from U.S. intelligence. And yet, if it was NOT the same Oswald -- and there is MUCH evidence to suggest that this is so -- then Oswald in New Orleans didn't recognize Nagle, didn't know who he was, and only perhaps knew him as a KGB officer, and therefore, would be very hesitant to believe him or to act on his information.

So that's the Nagle story, and I think it pretty well pinpoints the role of Oswald. Oswald, as his mother and his wife had both publicly stated, was a U.S. Government agent. He was posing as a pro-Castroite and as a pro-Communist to infiltrate groups that he felt were pro-Communist groups. In this instance, I think he had been picked up by one of the more violent anti-Castro groups who played him along and helped set him up as the "patsy" in the assassination. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

John DiNardo

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I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) GARY NULL: Alright, we're going to recapitulate here for a moment, and then I want to go on with some of the other scenarios involved in all this. I want to take a look at renegade CIA cliques. I also want to examine right-wing extremists and Organized Crime. I want to take a very careful look at Sam Giancana and Johnny Roselli and some of the other people involved.

JIM MARRS: Don't forget the Military.

GARY NULL: We're going to come to the Military, and also some of the people who have never really been brought out yet; and that is, I want to see the Howard Hughes challenge -- the challenge that Howard Hughes may have had a role in this. We're going to look at that. We're also going to look at some couriers and some communications experts and some possible hit-men. So, all of this is going to be laid out, hopefully, during the remainder of the program -- time permitting.

JIM MARRS: Gary, before we end this program today, let's not forget to discuss what I think is the most important thing, which is the common connecting point, the nexus between all of these groups. And there IS a connecting point. And it is intriguing. And I think it points the way toward the solution of who was behind the assassination.

GARY NULL: We will get to that in just a minute. Just to summarize, we are talking about J. Edgar Hoover. We have ruled out, at this point, and I feel that history and all the evidence completely rules out that the Soviets were involved. Premier Nikita Kruschev, KGB Chairman Yuri Andropov, KGB American expert-turned-defector Yuri Nosinkov[sp], Marina Pruskovka[sp] Oswald, Oswald's control agent Albert Osborne, and even the Latin leftist guerillas coordinated by "the second Oswald", code-named Alec Heidel[sp] a trained KGB assassin. These people simply did not directly participate. There's no evidence. We've ruled them out.

We have certainly ruled in J. Edgar Hoover as knowing about it. That's clear. ... certain other FBI agents knowing about it, and the FBI being FORCED, upon the mandate of Hoover, to participate in the cover-up, based upon the Warren Commission stating that it was the FBI that was to provide all the information to the Warren Commission through all the interviews. We have repeated references to them altering evidence, destroying evidence, tampering with evidence, intimidating witnesses, threatening witnesses ..... And that is not a matter of speculation. That is a matter of fact, and is demonstrable by [the terms of] law. So, clearly, they are one of the lead characters.

In a moment, we're going to go on with our special investigation. I'm Gary Null. Kevin McCreary is the co-producer on this.

....... [passages lost due to tape ending]

..... stories in the media are simply spurious and speculative, and they've even gone so far as to try to denigrate anyone who would come up with an idea other than Oswald acting alone. Thus far, however, there's absolutely NO evidence -- no hard evidence -- that Oswald was involved in the assassination WHATSOEVER. So let's take a look now ..... Why don't we go to the Military?

JIM MARRS: Well, I think this may be one of the key factors because if you'll stop and think about it in its broadest scope, you'll understand that there was absolutely no way that there could be any kind of large-scale assassination conspiracy that did not, in some way, take into account the Military, because the Military is the armed force in this country. I mean, as we saw in the Los Angeles riots, when the local authorities can't handle the situation, the Military moves in. And they would have done this in 1963 if there had been some large-scale coup that did not include them. You have to, at least, neutralize the Military, if not have them actively on your side -- which was done.

Now -- we're getting to the nub of it now, Gary, because people who have studied this assassination in great detail say: "Well, was it the FBI? Was it the CIA? Was it the Mafia? Was it the anti-Castro Cubans? Was it the Military?" And this particular line of questioning has kept us confused for a good number of years because the truthful answer is: "YES! It was ALL of them!" Now, you say: "Oh, my God! Now you're talking about a huge, massive conspiracy. And nobody could have kept quiet about that."

No. That's not what I'm talking about. But I'm talking about "Operation Mongoose." There was a connection, a nexus point, back in the early '60s -- in '61, '62. And it was "Operation Mongoose: The Secret War Against Castro." Most of this is now historical record. The Senate Intelligence Committee, under [Sen. Frank] Church [D.-Idaho] and those -- Sen. Gary Hart [D.-Colorado], developed this information back in the early '70s. It was all in the newspapers. It has all been established. The plot: "The Secret War Against Castro", was headed out of the JIMWAVE[sp] Station (which is a CIA acronym) on the campus of the University of Miami. It involved anti-Castro Cubans, CIA agents, military officers, Mafia people ... And THERE we have the common ground, the commonality, the nexus point at which they were all operating together.

And what were they doing? They were mixed up in plots to overthrow Cuba, and they were mixed up in plots specifically to assassinate [Cuban Premier] Fidel Castro. That's historical fact. Why is it such a big leap in understanding to realize that these same people, who were trained and who were gearing up to kill Castro, suddenly were just directed to Dallas? Because the common thought at that time was that the problem really was in the White House and not in Cuba; that we COULD attack Cuba, we could knock over Fidel Castro IF we had a president and an administration that was willing to do that. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please help to disseminate it by posting it to computer bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty year cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes ever more striking.

John DiNardo

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Article 19484 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,misc.activism.progressive Subject: Part 30, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy 1993Jan20.223054.12083@mont.cs.missouri.edu Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Sender: news@mont.cs.missouri.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pencil.cs.missouri.edu Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX! Approved: map@pencil.cs.missouri.edu Lines: 181

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) JIM MARRS [author of CROSSFIRE]: Now, here's another key point. A few years ago, I was in Alpa 66 Headquarters in Miami. This is one of the oldest and most violent of the anti-Castro organizations. And I was talking to some of those people and they were reminiscing about those days. And something came up about Johnny Roselli, the very TOP-ranking Mafia guy, and he was. He was a very high-ranking man in the Organized Crime field. He was kind of the Henry Kissinger of Organized Crime in that he would travel between the crime families and help make deals and help make peace between the crime families. This is a TOP-ranking position. And these people in Alpha 66 said that they were amazed, in recent years, to learn that Johnny Roselli was this Mafia chieftain, because back at the time of "Operation Mongoose," they only knew him as "Colonel Roselli." And Colonel Roselli had full military credentials, flew in military aircraft piloted by military personnel, and was an integral part, and a leader of this secret war to kill Castro and to change governments in Cuba.

So, here now .... and of course the fact that the CIA and the Mafia were working together in these assassination plots has been well established. It too is absolute historical fact. So what we have here is ... we have a situation just prior to the assassination of President Kennedy, where the Mafia, the CIA, the anti-Castro Cubans and the MILITARY are all actively working together on a variety of schemes which include assassination. And I think THAT may be the key to this whole thing.

GARY NULL: Okay. Let's take it a little deeper now. That's some of the basic scenarios. I still want to go into some of the people in specifics. When it comes to the Military, let's look at that time, at Kennedy and Viet Nam, and the military-industrial complex at that time.

JIM MARRS: Exactly. Dwight D. Eisenhower, in his farewell address, warned us against the acquisition of power, whether overtly or covertly, by what he called the "military-industrial complex." And the military-industrial complex is MUCH broader, much more powerful than anyone I think, even myself, could imagine because, basically, the military-industrial complex equates to the Status Quo. And never underestimate the power of the Status Quo. I like to think of myself as an educated, thoughtful, broad-minded intellectual-type person. And yet, I'll be the first to admit that there are certain things that I become very set in my ways about. I like my hamburger built a certain way, and that's the way I get it. We all are like that. We all settle into our comfortable lives and comfortable routines that we are familiar and comfortable with. Okay? This is the status quo, and it's tough to get out of there.

In 1941, we went onto a full-scale war economy, and we are just now making the first beginning steps to try to get off of that. And it's very painful. It's causing a lot of problems. Down here in my home state of Texas we're really being hurt by the fact that some of these military bases are being closed, some of the big defense industries are laying people off. It's a painful process, but it's gone on all through history. Once you create a giant military force, that force just doesn't want to go away. And it doesn't go away by itself. It takes time. It takes effort. Sometimes it's very painful. And I think that's what Eisenhower was talking about. And we've been under this military-industrial complex ever since.

The intelligence agencies -- the CIA, the DIA, the NSA -- some of these twenty-two intelligence agencies, that we have operating in this country to this very day, are simply the security arm of this military-industrial complex. And the military-industrial complex, needless to say, is not going to look kindly on anyone who would try to dismantle it. And yet, if we go back and look at the record, we find that essentially, this is exactly what John F. Kennedy was trying to do.

After the Bay of Pigs [Invasion] and after the Cuban Missile Crisis, he signed off on National Security Action Memoranda 55, 56 and 57. And basically, the bottom line of these memoranda was to bring control over the CIA back under the Military. He said that the Joint Chiefs-of-Staff would be held responsible for any military or even quasi-military activities that took place in the World that was initiated by the United States. So this was an attempt to bring the CIA back under the control of the Military.

In National Security Action Memorandum 263, we see that he approved the recommendations of the [Secretary of Defense Robert] McNamara Report which stated that we could have all United States military personnel out of Southeast Asia by the end of 1965, and, in fact, he ordered the withdrawal of one thousand military advisors by the end of 1963. These were his beginning steps to disengage from Viet Nam. John Newman, an eighteen-year veteran of military intelligence, has written a book titled JFK IN VIET NAM. And in there, based on actual National Security Council minutes, actual orders that are on file, he showed, beyond any question, that Kennedy was not just THINKING about pulling us out of Viet Nam, but he had actually ORDERED that event, and that we had begun to move in that direction.

Of course, after he was killed, his successor, Lyndon Johnson, signed National Security Memorandum 273, which quietly and subtly said that there would be no troop decrease from the time of the Diem Government, which was November the first. That was a subtle way of blocking Kennedy's pull-out order. And no meaningful drop in U.S. presence took place in Viet Nam.

And then, of course, in '64, while the Warren Commission was putting the finishing touches on their report that said Oswald ws the lone nut assassin, we had the phony Gulf of Tonkin Incident, and Johnson managed to push through a panicked Congress the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution -- which abrogates the Constitution of the United States, which says that only Congress shall have the power to declare war -- and gave those war-making powers to Johnson himself. And off we went into a ten-year war that was very much desired by the U.S. Military and by their attendant groups, their security agencies, the intelligence groups, and also by the defense industries and the bankers who supported them. And it's wide! It's pervasive! It reaches into every state in this Union. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

As the elaborately concocted smokescreen fades away from the faces of the gang of murderers who perpetrated this, THE highest crime of treason in the history of the United States, we stand flabbergasted and enraged to realize the enormity of the traitors' crimes. They have scattered the brains of the People's President onto the streets of an American city. They have, just as cold-bloodedly, murdered (what is it?) two hundred or so people, from CIA agent Oswald to Sam Holland to columnist Dorothy Kilgallen to Senator Robert F. Kennedy.

They have perpetrated a ten-year holocaust comprising the slaughter of over fifty-eight thousand sons of America, the wounding and maiming (both physically and psychologically) of maybe a quarter of a million more of us who served in that beautiful country transformed into one great hellish inferno; the absolute genocide (and there's no more accurate word for it than "genocide") of two million valiant peasants, who staunchly sacrificed everything, including themselves, to free their country from the clutches of a brutal invader.

There are Vietnamese babies born every day now with arms growing out of their chests. Those people are suffering the myriad horrors of nature's processes gone wild -- all because Dow Chemical Company wanted to save the few bucks needed to purge dioxin from the tons and tons of Agent Orange defoliant with which the genocidal profiteers drenched the Vietnamese countryside. So they soaked the American taxpayer for Agent Orange enriched with dioxin -- about the most toxic chemical known to all life -- and they soaked American boys and Vietnamese people with tons of death from the skies; not instant death, like the 1000-pound bombs that rained down daily, but slow, torturous, agonized death -- death, or a lifetime of suffering for Viet Nam's future mothers and their babies, who would live out their short lives with deformed bodies and incurable cancers; and these horrors will be revisited upon all succeeding generations, to the horizons of time.

A brilliant WBAI political scholar and humanitarian named Leo Cawley was representative of the multitudes of American victims of that war. Leo was a combat Marine who suffered for twenty years until his death from Dow Chemical's lucrative defoliant/depopulant. But even as he withered away, Leo condemned Bush's Persian Gulf War with passion and compassion. We could all give at least a bit of our time and energy to organizing against tomorrow's holocausts for the sake of tomorrow's victims, and in memory of yesterday's victims.

The evil men of the military-industrial complex and their CIA will never be brought to trial. But that's okay. We're working toward a higher form of justice than even the rectification of the U.S. Government's farcical facade of a justice system could possibly imply. We're striving, not to throw these genocidists into jail cells, but rather, to defeat their system of evil before they can launch more such genocidal adventures like the ones in Korea, Viet Nam, Angola, Lebanon, Grenada, Panama, Kuwait and Iraq.

John DiNardo

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Article 19745 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,misc.activism.progressive Subject: Part 31, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy 1993Jan26.225929.7810@mont.cs.missouri.edu Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Sender: news@mont.cs.missouri.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pencil.cs.missouri.edu Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX! Approved: map@pencil.cs.missouri.edu Lines: 150

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) JIM MARRS: Probably, a healthy percentage of the population of this country derives their direct income, in one way or another, from this military-industrial state, either working directly for the Government, or through military pensions, or through active military [duty], or through the defense contractors or, even from small companies that produce shoelaces for combat boots, pins for hand grenades, etcetera. I'm not sure we're even yet in a position to really, truthfully evaluate the impact of the military-industrial complex on this country.

But now, was there any tie-in to the assassination by the Military? Absolutely! James Powell, a military intelligence agent, made the mistake of going into the Texas School Book Depository before it was sealed off by police. And once it was, he had to show his credentials before he could get out. So he became part of the permanent record. And you may well ask: What was an Army intelligence agent doing in the School Book Depository at the time of the Kennedy Assassination? You might also ask why he was outside taking photographs of the Texas School Book Depository Building at the time of the assassination when most people were not even aware of what had gone on, or who was involved, or even of the fact that the School Book Depository would be identified as the place where the sniper had fired from. .....

[brief discontinuity due to tape ending]

..... [photos] taken six and eight minutes after the assassination took place. And they show that there's still somebody up there moving boxes on the sixth floor. The other key thing that I would point to was found in the Dallas Police files. We have Lieutenant Rebell of the Dallas Police. He went back to police headquarters from the Book Depository and typed up a list of Book Depository employees. And this was done within, probably, thirty minutes after the assassination -- even before they had Oswald arrested. And HEADING the list of School Book Depository employees was Harvey Lee Oswald. And it gave his address as 605 Elsbeth. Okay? Now, the problem is, of course, as we know, it was Lee Harvey Oswald. And his address that he gave in his application for employment to the Book Depository was the West Fifth address of the Paine house out in Irving, where his wife was staying. Okay? Nowhere on his records at the Book Depository was this Elsbeth address. In fact, Oswald HAD lived at 60'2' Elsbeth in the late fall of '62 and early '63, but he did not put that down on any of his material at the Book Depository. So where did the Dallas Police Intelligence Chief Rebell get this "Harvey Lee Oswald" and where did he get "60'5' Elsbeth"?

Well, he told the Warren Commission that he rode back from Dealey Plaza to the police station with a military intelligence agent. Recently, he told a news reporter down here in Texas that not only was this a military intelligence agent, he was an O.N.I. agent, Office of Naval Intelligence. And, of course, it's been well-accepted that if Oswald played some role in intelligence, he probably started off in the Office of Naval Intelligence, since he was a Marine, and the Marines are under the Navy Department. Okay?

Now, in 1978, the House Select Committee on Assassinations contacted a Colonel Jones of Fourth Army Intelligence. And he said that on the day of the assassination he got word from some of his people in Dallas that they had arrested a fellow and that his name was Alex J. Heidel. He told Congress that he checked with Fourth Army Military Intelligence files and found that Alex J. Heidel cross-referenced to Lee Harvey Oswald, and it gave his address as "60'5' Elsbeth. So the SAME mistaken address that turned up on Lieutenant Rebell's Dallas Police Intelligence sheet of School Book Depository employees turns up in Fourth Army Intelligence files. And Rebell says he rode back to Dallas Police Headquarters with an O.N.I agent.

Now -- what does that tell us? That tells us that it was the MILITARY in Dallas, on November the 22nd, that was tipping off the Dallas Police that the suspect they were after was Lee Harvey Oswald.

GARY NULL: That's DYNAMITE material! By God, if that ..... I don't think that people know HOW important this information is! This clearly focuses -- telescopes in on specific areas and people that we should be paying attention to.

JIM MARRS: Right. And it goes far beyond simply renegades within the CIA, or a dissident FBI agent over here, or some Mob hit-men. Now, I don't think there's any question. It is obvious. There's evidence that there are Mafia people mixed up in the assassination. I think that if you want to go get hired killers, that's the place where you would start. I don't think there's any question about that. I don't think there's any question that there is a CIA involvement in all of this.

But the thing is -- somewhere it had to come together. Somewhere there had to be a connecting point. And I believe that the Military, and particularly the groups and the individuals in and around "Operation Mongoose" probably were this connecting point.

GARY NULL: Alright. Let's take a look at a few other people here. Give us your opinions of what, if any, role the following people had, or of what knowledge they may have had concerning the assassination: The fired Bay of Pigs architect, General Charles Cabell. JIM MARRS: Alright. I don't think it was just a coincidence that the day of the assassination, Cabell, who had been fired by Kennedy as the Deputy Director of the CIA, had simply moved back into the Pentagon, resumed his duties there and his rank there, and, in fact, was kind of in hot water because he had publicly branded his commander-in-chief, the President of the United States John F. Kennedy, a traitor. Okay? If he truly believed that -- and he had to believe that, or he wouldn't have said that publicly about his superior -- then you can see that he would have no trouble in justifying the death sentence for "a traitor".

And I don't think it was a coincidence that his brother, Earl Cabell was Mayor of Dallas that day. As such, he was one of the prominent and important politicians who helped guide things and make decisions that were taken in respect to Kennedy's visit there. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

John DiNardo

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Article 20003 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Subject: Part 32, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy 1993Feb2.131716.7687@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, FREE Public Access UNIX! Lines: 152

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) GARY NULL: Alright. A key piece of evidence. A CRUCIAL piece of evidence that the media has overlooked. I'd like for you to fill in a blank here. Absolutely essential: We know that the route of President Kennedy's caravan was rerouted. The motorcade was rerouted. Who did that?

JIM MARRS [author of CROSSFIRE: THE PLOT THAT KILLED KENNEDY]: Well, it's a murky question, and you get into all kinds of problems there. First off, the zig-zag up Houston and down Elm Street .... I'm going to have to admit that Chief Terry[sp], the Dallas Police Chief, told the Warren Commission -- they asked him about that route and he told them that that was the normal flow of traffic. And that is true. And that's why we're going to have a hard time with this thing about the route because it was the normal flow of traffic, and you can always argue that: Well, they followed the normal flow of traffic.

The problem, of course, is that this was not a normal situation. This was a President of the United States who was visiting. They had Main Street blocked off already for the motorcade through downtown. And if I had been in charge of security .... and, in fact, several of the Dallas police officers brought this point up to the Warren Commission. They said that they didn't understand why the motorcade didn't simply go straight down Main Street, which was already blocked off, and then turn and go right up onto Stimmons Expressway, which would have left no need to make a hundred and twenty degree turn.

GARY NULL: You wouldn't have slowed down because Main Street is a straight street, and as a straight street, the motorcade would not have had to slow down. Now, having to turn on procession's path and then back onto Elm Street, you have two turns which necessitate going very slow.

JIM MARRS: Exactly. And one of them -- the turn from Houston onto Elm is about a one hundred and twenty degree turn, which is a VIOLATION of Secret Service regulations. Now, the only other thing that I'd point out is that on November the 19th, when the Secret Service chiefs came to Dallas and they rode the motorcade route, if you read their description very closely in the Warren Commission [Report], you find that they came up Houston Street to about Main, and they said: Here is where the motorcade goes on to the Trade Mart. And they turned east on Main, and they never did drive that hundred and twenty degree turn onto Elm Street. So there was apparently some negligence there on really determining the exact path of the motorcade and realizing that they had a security problem there.

Now, who engineered that negligence is still kind of up-in-the-air. But it seems clear to me that since the Secret Service and other Federal officials ..... In fact, there was a man from the Agriculture Department, believe it or not, who came down and apparently was an integral, important part of the planning of this motorcade route. And, of course, you have to go back and understand that the old Agriculture Department head, Orville Freeman, had been a very close political friend of Lyndon Johnson. And so, there seems to have been some mechanization that took place in this planning, but we have not been able to nail that down. And again, we're back to the point where someone will say: "Well, that was the natural flow of traffic. So, I think that's going to remain a murky area in this investigation.

GARY NULL: Alright. We do have .... [interruption due to tape ending] ..... the mayor, Earl Cabell. And Earl Cabell had (we don't know that it's the case) .... He had the power to reroute the motorcade. That is something that .....

JIM MARRS: He definitely called Police Chief Terry away from his duties at the time that they transferred Oswald, and he was shot by Ruby. And Terry said: "I wasn't there because I got a call from Mayor Cabell.

GARY NULL: I wasn't aware of that.

JIM MARRS: Well, there's another possibly important point because if the Police Chief himself had been there, he might have said something or done something that would have beefed up the security around Oswald and prevented Ruby from getting to him.

GARY NULL: And, of course, the American Public should be aware that Kennedy had fired Allen Dulles as head of the CIA, and had vowed to "smash the CIA into a thousand pieces and cast it to the winds." And, of course, Dulles would be on the Warren Commission. Now, to appoint a man who had been fired seems rather absurd as far as objectivity is concerned. But, again, nothing about this has been objective or makes sense.

Now, lastly, I want to go to some of the right-wing extremist organizations, and also to what some have suspected were some of the very powerful Texas industrialists who also were in the munitions business -- the armaments business. And later, as we would find out, we would be spending nearly ONE BILLION DOLLARS A DAY fighting in Viet Nam.

JIM MARRS: Yeah. And let's not forget the oilmen. The oilmen were not providing munitions, but they were providing the life blood of the military machine, which is oil. And so, they very much wanted Viet Nam -- to keep the price of oil up.

[JD: The most famous oilman in the World was a CIA agent in Miami who was involved with the anti-Castro Cubans who have been linked to the murder of President Kennedy. That famous oilman had a great deal to gain by the murder of the President because his Zapata Oil Company stood to make a fortune off of the slaughter in Viet Nam of over fifty-eight thousand American boys.

That famous oilman is George Herbert Walker Bush, of course. Why don't we look at the financial records and find out how much money George Herbert Walker Bush actually made in that ten-year, blood-for-profits adventure??] (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

John DiNardo

Article 20160 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa From: jad@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (John DiNardo) Subject: Part 33, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy 1993Feb5.133221.1860@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX! Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 13:32:21 GMT Lines: 157

I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) GARY NULL: And the oilmen were favored friends of Lyndon Johnson.

JIM MARRS: That's true. They hated Kennedy because Kennedy had already made one attempt to, and was still talking about doing away with the 27-and-a-half percent oil depletion allowance, which is the bedrock of oil money. What it is, basically, is the argument that oil is a finite resource. There's only so much of it under ground. And every time you pump it out, you're depleting your basic product, I guess you could say. And, as a result, they have a 27-and-a-half percent (at that time) oil depletion allowance, which basically meant that they did not have to pay taxes on 27-and-a-half percent of the money they made off of oil. How would YOU like to be able to pass on almost 28 percent of your income, and not have to pay taxes on it? That would help you out considerably. Wouldn't it?

[JD: On this point, it's also important to know that in Kennedy's first year as President, one of the three major steel companies -- I think it was Bethlehem Steel -- pulled the commonly used trick of being the first company, in collusion with all the others, to hike the price of steel and thus, to establish an excuse for all the other steel companies to hike their prices. Well, John F. Kennedy forced the steel companies, by some means, to roll back their prices. That was an extraordinary achievement on behalf of the American consumer which has probably never been done before or since by any of the corporate-owned Presidents of the United States. That deed alone focused upon John Kennedy the hatred of the barons of big business.] GARY NULL: Do you have any knowledge of Howard Hughes as "Mr. X", and the suspicions surrounding his involvement in the assassination? Howard Hughes, according to information I've got, was considered to be "Mr. X" by operatives from the CIA, by some anti-Castro Cubans, and by some of the right-wing paramilitarists.

JIM MARRS: As an intermediary. Well, let me say that in 1963 I was still a little unclear on how powerful Hughes actually was, and on how much he was actually running his empire. There is good evidence to believe that he had already begun to be controlled and to be operated. He was a recluse. Nobody saw him. And there is good reason to believe that he may not have been in total control of his empire. BUT, Robert Mayhue was. Robert Mayhue, at that time, was basically running Howard Hughes's empire. And Robert Mayhue had ties to both Organized Crime and to the CIA. And I may point out .... Again, I think that this is incredibly important: Robert Mayhue was also tied into "Operation Mongoose".

GARY NULL: Now, is Robert Mayhue alive today?

JIM MARRS: Yes, he is.

GARY NULL: What is he doing today?

JIM MARRS: I have no idea what he's doing. He appears on programs now and then.

GARY NULL: Was he ever challenged on these ties?

JIM MARRS: Oh, heavens. No, there's never been any hard-nosed investigation of all this because the Government has always maintained that it was just Oswald.

GARY NULL: Alright. So, we only have this as supposition, and we have to acknowledge that it is merely supposition ....

JIM MARRS: Well, I would say this. I would say that if there is any one person still alive today who probably knew and knows how all of this was pulled together, I think Robert Mayhue would be a good candidate.

GARY NULL: Alright. But, again, we do not know that for a fact. We merely have to, in fairness and objectivity ..... [tape ending] Did he have any connection to Organized Crime, and what was his knowledge of the Kennedy Assassination. We must, in fairness and objectivity, keep it as purely something that is a projected supposition without concrete evidence.

JIM MARRS: Oh, there's no concrete evidence that he participated in the conspiracy to kill Kennedy. I'll be the first to admit that. BUT, he himself .... and there has been tons written about him. He definitely was connected into the ..... In fact, he was the intermediary who put the Mafia people in touch with the CIA for their assassination plots. That's been documented. That's been stated. Okay? That's been nailed down by the Government.

He also, of course, was in charge of the Howard Hughes empire, which is well documented as being a front for the Central Intelligence Agency. So, he was right in the thick of all of that. And, as I've said, he was also part of "Operation Mongoose". That has been publicly stated. So, I think he's the guy who could give us some answers, if he would talk, and talk truthfully, and talk extensively, something that, apparently, he has not done to date.

GARY NULL: Now, let's take one more look here and try to put this into a context. We have certain members of Organized Crime who certainly could have played a role in providing the actual assassins.

JIM MARRS: Well, of course, about Organized Crime, there's really not any doubt about all of that. The FBI was operating as it should, and was keeping tabs on Organized Crime chieftains. Had them wire-tapped. Had them followed. Had informants, inside their organizations, reporting back. And each and every one of them, at some point, threatened the life of President Kennedy. I think, obviously, the ones who are most important to us would be Sam Giancana, the Mob boss of Chicago, who apparently helped pull votes for Kennedy in the 1960 election, and then who also was dating and going to bed with Judith [Campbell] Exner at the same time that she was slipping into the White House and having an affair with John Kennedy. So that puts him in pretty close contact. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

John DiNardo

Article 20544 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,alt.censorship Subject: Part 34, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy 1993Feb15.215718.24395@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Followup-To: alt.conspiracy.jfk Keywords: PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX! Lines: 101

The following transcript is from a tape-recorded broadcast by NO-commercials, NO-corporate-influences, listener-funded, beacon-of-truth Pacifica Radio Network station for the People: WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) JIM MARRS [author of CROSSFIRE: THE PLOT THAT KILLED KENNEDY]: Giancana, who was under HEAVY, intense prosecution and investigation by both the FBI and the Justice Department, undoubtedly felt like he was the victim of a turnaround -- a double-cross, if you will. Of course, his son and his nephew, I believe it was, in fact, have written a book called "DOUBLE-CROSS". And I think they aggrandize Giancana's role in national affairs a bit. But nevertheless, they made the argument that he felt like he had helped to put Kennedy in office, and he felt that Kennedy had double-crossed him by prosecuting him and sending the FBI after him.

Of course, one of his compatriots at that time was the New Orleans crime boss, Carlos Marcello. John Davis has produced a very good book that pretty well shows that there was some connection with Carlos Marcello into the assassination. Davis tries to make the argument that Marcello was the architect of the assassination. He may have been very instrumental in it, but even Carlos Marcello, powerful as he may be, did not have the power to cover-up the facts afterwards. And he did not have the power to misguide, misdirect and blunt the investigation by the FBI, and to alter the wounds on the President's body between Parkland Hospital and Bethesda Naval Hospital, and to do all of the things that are KNOWN to have been done. This goes beyond Organized Crime, although Carlos Marcello may have played an important role.

The other [compatriot of Giancana], of course, was Santos Trafficante, the Mob chieftain in Miami, who was closely connected to the anti-Castro Cubans, who, in fact, had been jailed on the Isle of Pines by [Cuban Premier] Fidel Castro back at the time of his takeover, and who was in contact with JACK RUBY.

So, you've got all of these people and they're all tied together. And the common point, I would think, between all of these was the point to where they begin to work closely with the United States Government, particularly the Central Intelligence Agency and the Military, and the war against Castro, and in the assassination plot against Castro.

GARY NULL: Okay. That's a good summary for this stage of our program. We still have more to go. There's still a LOT more evidence that we're going to be laying out. We're going to talk about a killing on Wall Street. We're going to talk about Kennedy and the oilmen. We're going to talk about a Miami prophet. We're going to talk about a bullet for the general. We're going to talk about the connections with Lyndon Baines Johnson. So much more to come. And then in Dallas: the black car chase, the strange saga of Roger Craig, the role of hit-men down there, and the shooting of J.D. Tippett. All these things are still to come, plus the "mystery man" whom many of us feel was the actual hit-man against Oswald in the balcony of the theater -- how that came about, who this person was, and why he didn't manage to get to kill Oswald who was where he was supposed to be in that theater, even though he never went to movies, and was specifically located by the police. Plus, brand new information that has NEVER before been revealed, in ANY form, in this country -- coming up. We are having some outside experts -- physicists and ballistics people and others -- examining documentation at this very moment. We'll hopefully have that for you very shortly.

I want to thank you very much, Jim Marrs, for sharing some outstanding insights with us today.

JIM MARRS: Thank you. Good to be with you. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

John DiNardo

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The following transcript is of a tape-recorded broadcast by NO-commercials, NO-corporate-influences, listener-funded, beacon-of-truth Pacifica Radio Network station of the People: WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) GARY NULL: I've spent a great deal of time down in Dallas. In the last year alone, I've made eight trips, doing measurements -- DETAILED measurements -- going over analyses. There is an individual (I don't know if you know him, Jones Harris), Robert Morningstar, who has done a great deal of analyzing of the Zapruder Film.

We found additional distortions -- editing in that film. We have also found more tracers. We have found the actual tracers. We put it through an infra-red scanner, and we can actually SHOW ..... No one has ever done this before. It was Robert Morningstar who came up with this, and we have independently corroborated it. We've done blow-ups of the Zapruder Film showing the actual tracer[s] [of the] bullets. And you cannot see it with the naked eye. But every bullet that is fired has a different marking, a marking of the heat that is created when the bullet spins out of the barrel of the gun, a marking of the heat when the sun reflects off of the bullet, a marking of the heat when the bullet goes through the atmosphere. And in this case, it was very humid on that day in Dallas. (I have gone back to subsequently check all the weather reports.) You have four separate markings of a tracer.

Well, we know that these markings, though not shown to the naked eye, are on the film and would still be a permanent imprint. And based upon the idea that there were multiple gunmen -- not one -- the only way to determine this is if there were multiple shots that could be proved to have been fired. Up to this point, there were none [proven to be fired].

Using an infra-red technology, we have isolated and actually identified the exact trajectory of all of the bullets: eight -- EIGHT bullets. Now, what is interesting is that we actually have this, blown up. It is irrefutable. Any physicist will show you that these are exact. Also, when you time-base them for the sounds [compare the points in time of the appearances of the tracers with the points in time of the sounds of the shots] .... We can't pinpoint the exact [origin of a] sound because the sound is deceptive. Where you think the direction that a sound is coming from frequently is not, depending upon the acoustics. Well, we've been able to match the acoustics with the sound, and then match the trajectory.

We even found .... I shouldn't say "I found". It was actually Robert who found .... We actually found and were able to demonstrate that the Zapruder Film was cut in two places to make the car seem as if it lurched forward, when, in fact, it came TO A STOP! And we can prove that because, in the film, the flags [mounted on the car] go flaccid and yet, the car jerks forward. And the building right across from the car -- which should have been in perfect alignment -- in the very next FRAME (You're talking about less than one thirty-second of a second) the building JUMPED FORTY FEET AHEAD! So, suddenly, if you look, the building that is across from the President's limousine -- in one frame is in front of it [the limousine]; in the next frame there's a forty foot difference.

Now, no one has ever done this work before. This is important new work to prove that the Zapruder Film WAS definitely, unequivocally, ABSOLUTELY [altered]. And NO ONE has caught it! NO ONE, except Robert Morningstar.

So then we went into great detail. We then took this -- Robert and I working together -- we blew up these ..... I went down there and got very sophisticated measurements. And we found that there HAD to have been someone on the opposite side of the green, because two bullets came right across and you can see the TRACER come right across that sign. Now isn't it interesting: They've added a whole segment to that sign!

Then, we can show that two bullets missed the car entirely. We do not believe that missing the car by such a wide margin was an accident. We believe that those were marker shots, because guess what we see in one of the tree branches. We see a "shooter's bag". In one shot [frame] you see it there. It looks like a tiny dot. You won't notice it! The naked eye will not notice it. But blow it up, as we did, freeze-frame it, and then you will see that it's hanging in a limb in one shot [frame], and then the tracer shot comes across and [the "shooter's bag"] it's blown away. That's what a marksman uses to line up the target, so that when the target comes right to that spot, you shoot and you're able to hit your target.

We also were able to blow up and enhance a photo showing, absolutely, a rifle with a telescopic sight that did NOT fire -- that was in the bushes down near the underpass. And we feel that that was either the kill shot, through the throat, because when it passed ..... It was funny because you watch it twenty times; you don't see a thing. You have experts watch it; they don't see a thing. You slow it down; they don't see a thing. And THEN, we put it in freeze-frame, and we say: "Have you ever seen a branch of a tree move?" And suddenly they all say: "There it is!" And they all point and say: "Yes, you're right!" But then, it's not a branch, but it's a telescopic sight. And it's a man with a hat. And we can actually match the scope to the type of scope used in that time. The scope follows President Kennedy clear around until he's out of sight, meaning that he was going to put another shot into him if he saw that the shot they fired the first time wasn't a kill shot. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

John DiNardo

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John DiNardo

Article 20777 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa From: jad@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (John DiNardo) Subject: Part 36, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy 1993Feb23.215738.25766@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Followup-To: alt.conspiracy Keywords: PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX! Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 21:57:38 GMT Lines: 142

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) GARY NULL: This program is a continuation of our ongoing series titled: "Hidden Agendas: Conspiracies, Cover-Ups and Lies" at the highest levels of our Government, in regard to deceptions foisted upon the American People regarding essential information about the roles of Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald in the John F. Kennedy Assassination. We have been led to believe that the Warren Commission Report was the first and last word on this case. Many individuals are challenging that. We have invited those individuals to share with us insights, documentation and other information, much of it being revealed here, for the first time, to the American People.

Please excuse the poor broadcast quality today because I am not in the studio. I'm not in New York. I'm about five thousand miles away from New York, continuing to do investigations on this. I'm tracking certain ballistic and forensic information, and I'm interviewing people who, hitherto, have not been heard by the American People so that I can bring you new information.

On our conference line right now are two individuals who have some unique insights: Jack Schweick[sp], who has written on Oswald, especially about the Atsugi [Naval Air] Base in Japan. He was in intelligence before being in the Marines. He has sued the CIA for files. And we'll learn about the alleged fourty-four drawers of files on Oswald and also [on] all the people on that base, and what Lee Harvey Oswald was doing there.

Also, we have colonel L. Fletcher Prouty. Now Colonel Prouty is a unique individual in this scheme of things. In the movie, JFK, it was Donald Sutherland who portrayed the role of L. Fletcher Prouty or some facsimile of his role. L. Fletcher Prouty was Chief of Special Operations of the Joint Chiefs-of-Staff, and he established worldwide offices. He was a senior Air Force officer, Officer of Special Operations in the Office of the Secretary of Defense in the office headed by General G.B. Erskine with Edward Lansdale, CIA-to-United States Air Force on staff. He was also the chief of Team B, which was Special Operations, Headquarters U.S. Air Force. And that's very important in military terms. Special Operations was the official function responsible for the military support of the clandestine operations of the CIA.

Let's begin with L. Fletcher Prouty. Welcome to our program, Mr. Prouty.

L. FLETCHER PROUTY: Good morning, Gary. Nice to be with you.

GARY NULL: First off -- is it correct that there was some facsimile between you and the character portrayed by Donald Sutherland in Oliver Stone's film, JFK?

L. FLETCHER PROUTY: Yes. Oliver Stone met with me in 1990 and asked me to be an advisor to the film because he had read material that I had written, and he had written a part into his film that he called "Mr. X". At the time, I didn't know that. And I read the script when it first came out in November 1990, and I found the "Mr. X" there and I recognized myself and words I had written and things I had said. So, at a speech at the National Press Club, in January 1992, Oliver Stone turned to the audience and said: "Everybody asked me, 'Is there a real 'Mr. X''." Well, I was on the podium with him, and he turned and pointed to me and said: "There's my 'Mr. X'." And so, the secret broke. And that's the story of it. It was pretty simple. He just worked it into the film so that he would have an authoritative voice for certain parts of the film, as you saw represented by Donald Sutherland.

GARY NULL: Alright. Let's go to the actual events, or at least those events that you have some insight on so that we can get a handle on this. We have already -- in the first eighteen parts of this special investigation (twenty-five hours of broadcasting on this) -- laid out various aspects of this puzzle. We have seen the role of Organized Crime -- at least those individuals who, on FBI tapes, have made statemtents, either true or false (at least they've made the actual statements), that there was going to be a hit on the President, either in Miami or later in Dallas. We also had extensive insights about the CIA being "out of control", and about, even at that time, special renegade elements within the CIA who were very much opposed to President Kennedy's mishandling of the Bay of Pigs Invasion, and about the fact that, at a time when he could very easily have given the support which would have caused the destruction of Castro's tiny Air Force and ended what people in the military/industrial complex, the Armed Forces, the general public, the Texas conservative element, viewed as a substantial threat, he backed off. They found this incomprehensible.

And, as a result, some feel that elements of that [the CIA] were responsible for the assassination. But it couldn't have been done without having members of the Secret Service, the FBI and the Military participate because it was going to be, not only the assassination itself, but they were fully aware that you don't go out and kill the President of the United States unless you can protect yourself. You have to know that you can protect yourself if there is a special commission, if there is a special investigation. So, bringing in people from different segments [of the Government] at different levels would have been a job that only military logistics experts could have pulled off. Organized Crime has never been able to maintain. They don't have the intellectual dexterity, they have too much braggadocio and they're too unreliable. But they are capable of killing, and they do. And they are capable of being used, in effect, as a front for various aspects [of Government crime], as they had been in their anti-Castro efforts after the fall of Cuba's Battista Government, which supported their corruption. Since Castro didn't support them, they were losing many millions of dollars. So they were conducting regular activities, we now know, with the aid of the CIA and with the knowledge of the FBI. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

John DiNardo

Article 20864 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa From: jad@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (John DiNardo) Subject: Part 37, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy 1993Feb26.233930.1942@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Followup-To: alt.conspiracy Keywords: researchers'revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX! Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 23:39:30 GMT Lines: 142

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) GARY NULL: So, how do you start to link all these disparate people together? What roles did they actually play? What roles do you surmise they played?

L. FLETCHER PROUTY: Well, take one of the most crucial roles. Certainly, everybody wants to know who killed the President. How was he killed? What was the technique that was used. And really, the answer has been before us in the Press for years, and I guess most people didn't notice it or didn't see it in the proper context.

President Lyndon Baines Johnson himself, when ex-President, just before he died, had an interview with an old friend of his -- a writer for the ATLANTIC MONTHLY Magazine. And, although I don't have it laying here in front of me at the moment, I'll tell you three things that Lyndon Johnson said during that interview that, coming from the President, the man who was most involved -- at least next to Kennedy -- in that whole affair. Johnson said these things. He said, first of all: "I never believed that Oswald did that by himself. Furthermore," he said, "I knew that there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy." I mean, he knew as he went along. I'm not sure that he meant that he knew ahead of time. But, in either case, those are his words. He said: "I have always felt that there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy."

But third -- and here he really said what answers your question. He said: "WE", meaning the United States Government -- "We maintain a Murder Incorported," and he added the words, "in the Caribbean" because that was pertinent to the questions that were going on. But this "Murder Incorporated" is Worldwide. And now the United States Government maintains a "Murder Incorporated" capability, as we see, from time to time, when assassinations or other tragic terrorist movements [covert operations] take place. The people who do that are professionals. And they work for certain elements of the United States Government.

Now, President Johnson said that, and that was printed in the July 1973 issue of the ATLANTIC MONTHLY Magazine. Since that has been put into the Press, then we can explore it a little more. Those professionals whom the [Central Intelligence] Agency calls "mechanics" are brought into Dallas. A small team. They do the job. They kill the President. They leave. They're gone. That's the murder!

The BIG crime after that is the cover story that we see every day. For instance, this recent release by the American Medical Association is ABSOLUTE COVER STORY! Who IS IT that's forcing that ENORMOUS organization, that powerful organization, the American Medical Association, just last week or the week before, to release more cover story articles about the killing of the President that are NOT true? Why are they being made to do this? Where is the "power" that makes them do that? Therein is the explanation of the assassination of the President!

GARY NULL: Alright. Let's go through this. Who had the power to kill the President and get away with it. Organized Crime could not have done it and gotten away with it. Anti-Castroites could not have done it and gotten away with it. And radically right-wing, conservative politicians could not have done it and gotten away with it. So who actually did it, and then who do you think ..... Separate the cast of characters whom you feel did it, and then the cast of characters who participated in the cover-up because whoever did it had to have enough power to get the FBI to participate [in the cover-up] because we know ABSOLUTELY, UNEQUIVOCALLY -- it is a matter of LAW and it is a matter of sworn testimony that the FBI participated systematically in covering up, destroying, hiding information that was absolutely essential to the investigation. They participated in a crime at ALL levels, including the very highest level with J. Edgar Hoover. Now, you do not get J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI to consistently commit crimes, to break the laws which they're supposed to be there to defend unless you're very powerful. WHO, then, is more powerful than the FBI? And who is more intimidating than J. Edgar Hoover who could get that done?

L. FLETCHER PROUTY: This is one of the questions that Oliver Stone ran into as he was developing the script and the concept of this movie, because there aren't many of us in this country, in this World who accept the fact that there are power centers. Winson Churchill called this power center, during World War II, when he was talking with intimate friends (This is written. This is clearly available to researchers) .... He called it a "high cabal". Winston Churchill is talking about a higher cabal than Winston Churchill, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Josef Stalin. He is talking about a power center, a "power elite" that is ABOVE governments.

Buckminster Fuller, a man who had enormous experience with governments .... he spent more time as a consultant to the Kremlin than any other non-Russian. He spent hours and hours and days as a consultant to Congress in our country. Buckminster Fuller was a man of great experience. He wrote a book that we should ALL know called "CRITICAL PATH". In that book, he speaks over and over and over again about the "power elite". I've written a book about [titled] "THE SECRET TEAM". [some words lost when Prouty's phone line is cut off for a few seconds]

.... because I myself have worked with people, in their own homes, like [Eisenhower's Secretary of State] John Foster Dulles and [Director of Central Intelligence] Allen Dulles. I have seen John Foster Dulles pick up a special telephone. He didn't dial. He didn't say anything except: "I want" so-and-so. And you could tell by the name that it was a Soviet name -- a man in Russia. They talked for a little while. He said "Thank you," hung up the phone and we went right ahead with business. He had settled something. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

John DiNardo

Article 4396 of alt.conspiracy.jfk: Path: cbnewsl!att-out!oucsboss!sun!malgudi.oar.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!gatech!concert!uvaarpa!murdoch!hopper!jad Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Subject: Part 38, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy 1993Mar10.180611.4222@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Followup-To: alt.conspiracy Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 140

The following transcript is of a tape-recorded broadcast by NO-commercials, NO-corporate-influences, listener-funded, beacon-of-truth Pacifica Radio Network station for the People: WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) COLONEL L. FLETCHER PROUTY: There are people above our Government structure. And when those power groups are threatened by a regime such as that which the Kennedys were establishing in Washington (their own power center), one of them has to give. And the Kennedys lost that one. So, we have to accept that a "power elite" DOES exist. It's existing today. And it keeps the cover story alive. That's bigger than the crime itself because the cover story is covering the way our Government, the way our lives are run today. Look around and see.

GARY NULL: So, in other words, it's your feeling, based upon insider information .... because you were an insider's insider. You were Chief of Special Operations to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I mean, you don't get any closer to the heart of the intelligence community than that. Certainly, not at the Armed Forces level. And you were also a senior Air Force officer in the Office of Special Operations at the Office of the Secretary of Defense. And you were the liaison with the Central Intelligence Agency in clandestine operations [between the CIA and the U.S. Air Force]. So we have to trust that your insights are unique.

So, you're telling us, very literally, that beyond the three branches of our United States Government there is a "power" cabal made up of individuals who represent industry, government and business (within that, the world of high finance) who can make a phone call and kill a story, make a phone call and take out a contract, can put into motion any kind of effort that they deem essential for THEIR economic or personal well-being, and that they are beyond the law because they control all offices. They control the Attorney-General of the United States, who is a political appointee. And that's been relatively simple. Virtually all of the Attorney-Generals, with the exception of two in the last thirty years, have been extraordinarily reprehensible people. The "power" cabal controls the Federal Bureau of Investigation, because we had a very peculiar man running the FBI who had his own set of values. They can control politicians. They control the Mass Media, which is relatively simple because most, not all, of the Media are owned by major corporations.

So, what you're saying is that these people [of the "power' cabal] are simply a law unto themselves, and they stay out of the spotlight, they don't seek publicity, but they do seek power. And they maintain power through economic power. And they see to it that they win, no matter what happens, on any level. Is that what you're telling us?

L. FLETCHER PROUTY: Gary, you're telling the story pretty straight. Let me add something. It may sound kind of small and precise. But it's exactly the kind of example that just draws a line under what you've said.

I happened to be in New Zealand, on the way back from the South Pole, when I heard about President Kennedy being killed. And I just heard that as a momentary flash over the radio. And, since I was transient there, I didn't have the radio to keep listening. I went out on the street and I looked for a newspaper. Before long, the local paper in Christ Church, New Zealand printed The Star as an extra. And on the front page of The Star, there was a large picture of Kennedy, of course. And on the other side of the page, across from that, there was a picture of the building, the Texas School Book Depository that we've all heard about now, where the killer was supposed to have been firing from. And, as I looked at that picture, I saw that many windows were open. Now this was a picture taken in real time. In other words, it was taken at the time that the murder happened, or very close to that. And the picture was flashed, by radio, around the World. And I turned to a congressman who was with me, and I said: "Look, there's something wrong in Dallas. The protective organization that we have in the Military and the Secret Service, would NEVER have permitted overlooking windows to be open when the President goes by."

Well, you see, there is an organization within the Military that is trained for what we call the protection of the President. And one of their jobs is to close windows in overlooking buildings, and so on and so forth. But I found out, when I got back to the United States, that the organization that should have been in Dallas protecting the President had SOMEHOW been called by somebody who knew the system, who knew the code words. And the commandant, the commanding officer of that organization, had been told: "You're not needed in Dallas. We're going to have another unit in Dallas." And this is routine. There are many units. So he didn't go to Dallas. But then he found out that NOBODY ELSE was there. Dallas was OPEN!

The Secret Service was not there at Dealey Plaza where the President was killed. There were FALSE Secret Service people there. There were FALSE military officers there. There were FALSE policemen there. We have PHOTOGRAPHS of them. There are these photographs of "the tramps" that a lot of people have seen, showing the policeman in front of them and the policeman in back of them, leading them to the sheriff's office. If you look carefully, the two policemen in the photographs have different uniforms on. They are ACTORS! The "tramps" are actors! And, if you've been in the business of protecting the President, you KNOW that things like that don't happen.

Now, there are only a FEW people who would KNOW -- who would have the authority to tell those units that have been specially trained to protect the President -- to tell them NOT to do their jobs! It's like a fireman. You don't tell a fireman NOT to go when the bells ring and the fire is across the street. He's trained to do it. But suppose somebody said: "Don't go. There's going to be another fire truck." That requires "power" from the top. That defines what you were just talking about, Gary, and what I was talking about. That defines the "power elite" who can come from the top and nullify things. There's where the power is. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

John DiNardo

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BOSTON (UPI) -- A newly dedicated statue of President John F. Kennedy in front of the Statehouse on Beacon Hill will be returned to its foundry to clean graffiti from the memorial, officials said Tuesday. A man apparently obsessed with the late actress Marilyn Monroe claimed responsibility for spray-painting white splotches of paint and the word "murderer'' on the 8-foot bronze statue over the weekend. Workers using a mild acid were able to hose the paint off the base of the memorial, but did not attempt to treat the statue itself. "They are going to move it,'' said Greg Arnold, superintendent of state office buildings. "They're going to take it back to the foundry and try to put additional protection on it.'' Arnold said the cleansers used on the base of the memorial were not suitable for the statue. "It's a stone wash, and you can't do that to the bronze and the patina of the statue.'' Noel Danforth, a spokeswoman for the legislative commission that oversees the memorial, said the statue would be sent to the Tallix Foundry in Beacon, N.Y. "It's about a three to four week process, depending on how much work they have to do on it and if they have to repatinate it,'' Danforth said. No estimate for the amount of damage to the statue was immediately available. The statue was to be removed Wednesday, Arnold said. The defacement took place on the 28th anniversary of Monroe's suicide. The blond sexpot has been linked romantically to Kennedy in published reports in recent years. "The caller stated ... 'Why don't you take a wild look at the JFK statue in front of the Statehouse. The m----------r murdered Marilyn Monroe, now it's his turn,'' said Capt. Paul Mahoney, commander of the Capitol Police, which oversees state government buildings and grounds. The statue, which depicts a striding Kennedy, was dedicated May 29 on what would have been Kennedy's 73rd birthday.